charles moyer wrote: > for a guilt-ridden generation, guilt being the one > and only necessary element to fuel the furnaces of the Judeo-Christian > soul-processing plant of the self-righteous. I would dissent from this on the same grounds that I dissent from Freudian analysis, red-baiting, or other ways of shifting the conversation from its substance to the supposed motives of the participants. Someone may express a proposition X because they feel guilty, because they are hypnotised, because they are working a swindle of some sort, or because they think the listener will be flattered by it. All these "explanations" are quite irrelevant to the validity or non-validity of the proposition. I dislike Christianity as much as anyone might -- but Christianity's impact varies according to specific historical conditions. In the midst of a peasant struggle, for example, you can get liberation theology, and in a utterly individualized social order such as the U.S. you get, among other things, the Southern Baptists ordering women to accept the servant leadership of their husbands or something like that. Carrol