"I, one thing, as relation to one thing; Hui sees relation to ten." (Notes for CXI) Wei - Don't you ever have just a little glimmer of doubt about the number of relations you see? I have been more interested in observing the comments in postings you have avoided than the ones you have addressed. The former have been those which would have led discussion away from your thesis (as someone called it) which has become the dominate feature and almost the only one of this list. Everything else gets dismissed or buried under the glut of your endless presentations and defenses. And don't try to construe this as censorship, not from this heretic. As far as your summary judgment of Pound goes let me say that , yes, it is shared by some, but more and more these days the old dead horses of propaganda are getting flayed less and less, and even this weekend in the National Recreation Area in which I live I saw in a National Park Headquarters tent a hiking-book being sold with these words on the fly-leaf, "Learn of the green world what can be thy place" Wouldn't it be a good time for you to take a hike? Pawel - five lines down from that one- "The green casque has outdone your elegance." The chrysalis of the Monarch butterfly is bright green with gold spots like buttons down its sides as if an alchemist had been there working. Prague was a center of Alchemy. What about Poland. "Pull down thy vanity I say pull down" CM