I am not sure I understand what those talking of objectivity mean? Are you describing Pound's objectivity in terms of newspaper reporting--that is his account of history as created in The Cantos--or are you speaking of Objectivism as a poetic movement, which Oppen and Zukofsky developed after Imagism? Objectivity in the latter sense is often confused as a poetic attempt to "report" images objectively. When in fact, as Z and Opp. often stated, they were more concerned with the objectification of the poem, or the poem becoming an object itself. I don't think Pound cared to be "objective" in the sense you ar talking. Certainly he possessed subjective and objective qualities throughout his career, but to his credit, when refering to his personal life he at least had the good taste to use an "objective correlative." As for people replying to long winded messages with "see what I mean," when in fact there is no "evidence" being exhibited, just pure pedanting, I personally appreciate the terseness--"know what I mean." I would like to thank Mr. Hatlen, Mr. Romano, Prof. Pearlman, Everett Lee Lady, Jonothan Morse, and a few other people on the list for enlightening me on many issues relating to Pound. I came to this group last year as an enthusiastic undergradute, and have learned much from you all. Because there were no Poundians at my university, I feel as though I ahve taken a seminar over the past year. However, lately I have found the list a bit frustrating, and no longer wish to subscribe. I wish that I had the fortitude of the older, more disiplined scholars that I have mentioned. I admire the way they wait in the background, only to surface when someone has been either hogging internet time or misrepresenting Pound's work. But I am young angry and impatient, and have no tolerance for people who email the group five or six times a day with nothing educational to say. Thank you Its been real Erik Volpe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/