Would this be an equally acceptable list for the author of the Cantos: For moral order-- Confucius. For fiscal order-- the fascist economist Odon Por (translated by Pound) For civic order-- Mussolini and Hitler. For aesthetic order (integrity)-- the "god of the lira", as administered by Italian Ministry of Finance 1922-1943. Etc., etc. Carlo wrote: << For moral order-- Dante. For fiscal order-- the Malatestas et al. For civic order-- Jefferson. For aesthetic order (integrity)-- not "the god of the dollar." Etc., etc. --CP>> Why the emphasis on Order? Why not emphasize the following: Moral Freedom Fiscal Freedom Civic Freedom Aesthetic Freedom Does anyone know if Pound ever uses the word "freedom", and if so where? Lest someone misconstrue my remarks as negative, I invite all list participants to create their own list. Here is mine: For moral freedom-- Christ, Buddha, Lao Tze, Gandhi (not the moral straightjacket of Dante's Catholicism); For fiscal freedom-- The Revolution of the Spanish Republic --1936( not the aristocratic misadventures of the Malatestas); For civic freedom-- The French Declaration of Human Rights, and the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence (not the Jefferson depicted in Jefferson and/or Mussolini); For aesthetic freedom (integrity)-- not "the god of the dollar" (we can agree here. . . ). Regards, Wei ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com