En Lin Wei, 1) As Joe Brennan has try to point out to you ad nauseam and as the Cantos should clearly indicate, Pound did not ignore American democacy as the Jefferson/Adams Cantos indicate. As for the "ideals" of said democracy, those are better left to campaign slogans and Madison Avenue borrowing the epistemology of the idealization of the physical world established by the physical sciences and technology. 2) Let's address your ever so important question as regards American culture. (Incidentally wise choice to change the agenda from political history to culture.). In fact there is no connection between American culture and Pound. American culture is Disney, Coca Cola and pontoon bridges and airstrips by Bechtel. Pound didn't arise from this culture of corporate kleptocracy that was born manipulating the delusion that the US has or ever had ideals. The people who do the manipulating as elaborated bu Mills, Bernays, Lippmann etal stand above these cultural concerns. They form an elite. They don't read Pound either. No one is participating in American culture through reading Pound's poetry. The money just isn't there and when we speak of a Pound industry we are largely flattering ourselves as being part of some valuable mode of production vis a vis the general culture. Clearly, crystal clearly, Pound was against the corporate manipulation of public sensiblity as well as the cooption of their labor. So please don't insist we tar the Cantos as an expression of American culture. Your arguments are ludicrous. I should make you go on house buys with me as I buy books from the good citizens inhabiting a world that is supposed to consider Pound part of its culture. That would cure you of your delusions. Or if you can't make it, pull out your VISA card, clench it between your teeth all the while recalling the 19.5% interest that it carries, and try to read Canto XLV. On a happier note; last night I got some fan mail that makes allusion to Pound so I would like to share it with the list. It involves my lonely campaign against the way American culture has come to help dominate the current Neo=Georgian style of poetry that our major and small presses so love and admire. I received this post: Dear Mr.Parcelli, Read your poem in terza limbo and your essay on Moyer's Movement. Incidently, the "s" was added to the name by those of our family who moved west because they were wanted in the East and Midwest for horse thievery. They have progressed greatly. Willam Bartley III is correct in his observation that "sometimes the Pennsylvania Dutchman is right", but not in this schmeercase. For your entertainment - a parody - I owe you one for explaining to me why I have been so bored at Border's poetry readings lately, and why I've stopped going to them. CANTICO DEL SOLUS IPSE The thought of what America would like If the Poets had a wide strangulation Troubles my sleep, The thought of what America, The thought of what America, The thought of what America would be like If the Poets had a wide strangulation Troubles my sleep. Nunc dimwheaties, now lettest thou thy savant, Now lettest thou thy savant Depart in pieces. The thought of what America would be like, Etc. Charlie Moyer