Bob, Would it be intentional incoherence? A rootless portion of a poem alluding to a tale with no meaning to Pound (or to meaning in a tale with no value to Pound)...I'd like to hear more comparisons of Pound and Eliot's neo-Homeric epics. Kristen --- bob scheetz <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > tim romano writes: > >...forced exile is a grievous separation from friend and kin, and > loss of identity. > > tim, > yeh,...egregiously absent in ep, homesickness > ...signifying? home & kin bore no meaning for him ? > ...signifying no geneological base, > prinicple of structure or coherence. > wouldn't that make for a rootless, shallow poetry; > as it would, a person? > ...a kinda "california poetry", > ie, quintessentially "american" (in the sardonic sense), > all novelty and technique? > and indeed, doesn't his "adams cantos" america seem > got from books? stilted?...even more than his cathay? > > but, supreme irony, (as adorno pt'd out) odysseus > is the archetypal bourgeois. hero-ideal of a > gk merchant society aborning. > in contrast to achilles' noble absolutes, magnanimity, > odysseus is all cunning and trickery > ...instrumental reason > ...very much "the donald" or "bill gates" or "the jew". > > so...while joyce uses the archetype to great effect, > it seems to me ep's odysseus is ultimately incoherent. > > whadaya think? > > bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com