The published account of the conversation with Ginsberg is by Michael Reck,
isn't it? The conversation took place in the presence of (at least) Michael
Reck, his son, and Peter Russell. So there were several witnesses. Not sure
where that takes us, but those are the facts.
 
Richard Edwards
 
 
>From: William Stoneking <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Ezra Pound discussion list of the University of Maine
>  <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Getting things all mixed up
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:33:34 -0500
>
>We all know you're refering to Ginsberg so why not just
>name him... If my memory serves, I think there was a
>reference to this encounter (along much the same lines
>as you outlined) in a book about Pound eentitled The
>Voice of Silence (can't recall the author)  I am - unfortunately -
>still travelling without portfolio in the wilds of The Jewish
>Alps (as my Jewish friend, Jack Savage, calls the
>Catskills)
>
>Best
>
>Stoneking
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Booth, Christopher <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 5:51 PM
>Subject: Re: Getting things all mixed up
>
>
> > Uh, I am hesitant to follow this up, but I think that it should perhaps
>be
> > pointed out. I have this from an anecdotal (unpublished) source that I
>would
> > trust a thousand times more on any point in which it differed from the
> > source who claimed that EP said it.
> >
> > Pound never actually said that bit about the "stupid suburban
>prejudice".
> >
> > As far as I am concerned the source of that famous quote is...not
> > trustworthy. I am trying to be delicate.
> >
> > In a nutshell: I was told that EP didn't say those words, and I believe
>it.
> >
> > Others were present that day of the documented visit, and let us not
>forget
> > which of those that were present is the source of the story. [Doesn't
> > "suburban" sound more like _his_ vocabulary in that context than a word
>EP
> > would have chosen?]
> >
> > I think that this quote was adopted by the Poundians more because many
>of
> > them[/us?] needed the excuse it provided than that it is believable
>beyond
> > question.
> >
> > This point is tricky. I have it from an anecdotal source, at second hand
>at
> > that, but I am satisfied; I will never believe the story.
> >
> > I don't wish to offend anyone here who may have known the person who
>gave
>us
> > the quote; my opinion is much stronger and more outraged than I express
> > here--unfortunately, I am nobody, and my source is, very very sadly,
> > deceased.
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From:         Jonathan Morse
> > > Reply To:     Ezra Pound discussion list of the University of Maine
> > > Sent:         Friday, November 26, 1999 9:54 PM
> > > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject:      Re: Getting things all mixed up
> > >
> >         ...
> >
> > > These days, actually, one hears echoes of Pat Buchanan. What was
>Pound's
> > > nice word for the state of mind? Ah yes: "suburban."
> > >
> >         ...
> >
> > > Jonathan Morse
> > >
> >
 
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