D'accordo!
 
That may sound pretentious but in fact it's sanctioned
by Master Ez. See Gallup C793.
 
Talk about the poetry? Sounds radical, but I'm game.
 
I'll go with the Propertius. I can't answer your
question. Can you answer mine? EP says there was no
useful criticism of Propertius anywhere in Europe
until Laforgue. Why Laforgue?
 
Wayne
 
--- "Amy E. Thomas" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> "I love the way "academic" is still used as a
> catch-all pejorative."
>
> You know what? I really do love it in certain ways.
> Considering that
> these discussion lists are to address Ezra Pound who
> had little or no
> tolerance for contemporary academia, considering
> that we've been
> discussing Basil Bunting (who said "there is no
> excuse for literary
> criticsm"), a healthy suspicion of academia seems
> only in order. Since
> most of us are, in one regard or another, academics,
> suspicion of this
> suspicion should also be appropriate.
> *However* I have to tell you that the material on
> this list for the last
> few months has given me no cause to disagree with
> Pound or Bunting's
> statements. It seems there have been infinite
> queries regarding
> secondary material, obscure biographical facts,
> etc.. etc....
> AND LITTLE OR NOTHING ABOUT THE CANTOS!!!!!!!
> Of course some of the gossip's interesting. And
> secondary material is
> not only valuable but necessary ( vide Makin,
> Kenner, Davie, et al), but
> the brilliance of that secondary material is that it
> *HELPS WITH THE
> POEM*....
> I will propose three topics of conversation *On The
> Cantos*, which I
> hope that even those annoyed by this message might
> respond to. Should
> this poemaphobia continue, should we continue to act
> like nervous
> teenagers hemming and hawing at the sideline of the
> dance-floor, I shall
> cancel my subscription to the list, shut of this
> damn box and get back
> to READING THE CANTOS. In good internet will,
> however, I should say that
> I hope I don't have to.
>
> Topics
>
> 1. The relation between the tradition of English
> Common Law (Coke, Magna
> Charta mentioned in the Pisan Cantos, etc) and The
> American Revolution
> in the Cantos. Davie thinks its bosh, that Pound
> falls prey to the trap
> of Whig history. Agree or disagree?
>
> 2. Nicolo D'Este as factive (anti-factive)
> character, in opposition or
> apposition to the way Pound presents Sigusmundo. How
> does D'Este's mad
> speech and hallucinations( see Cantos 20 and 21)
> prefigure later events
> in the Cantos. Anyone hear it echoing in the Pisan
> Cantos or afterwards?
>
> and
>
> 3. (A non Cantos question!) What do we think of the
> *tone* of Pound's
> Propertius. I think everyone agrees by now on the
> importance of this
> winning poem, but Robert Lowell for instance said
> that while he loved
> POund's poem, he hears Pr.'s voice as a graver,
> proto-Christian
> sufferer. Is the parallel between early 20th century
> Britain and
> decadence Rome as forced as Davie thinks the one
> between 17th c. England
> and 18th century America is?....
>
> Ok, there we go. I apologize for taking up extra
> space, but hope these
> very basic questions might make the list more
> interesting for those of
> us who do enjoy poetry.
>
> Peter Campion
>
 
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