Here's a question for Title IX. The Syracuse Hockey program refuses to
be supported by the athletic department at Syracuse yet the team has the
resouces and the base for an NCAA team, whether D-III in the ECAC or D-I
in the MAAC.
If the team was given varsity status but no money from the athletic
department since we are already internally funded and organized (in
comliance with the NCAA), would it count towards Title IX?
Since Title IX state's that a university must present equal
opportunities for both men and women, this case allows for 30 guys to
create their own opportunities with no university support.
Ben Flickinger wrote:
>
> Fine, but now women have the opportunities, do we still need Title IX?
>
> I've read several articles about Title IX on the internet, and most of them
> reek of reverse discrimination or reverse sexism.
>
> from http://www.lifetimetv.com/WoSport/stage/RESLIB/html/mythbusting.html
>
> "Title IX requires that male and female athletes receive the same benefits
> of athletic participation:
> .....equipment, uniforms, supplies
> .....access to weight room and training room
> .....equal practice facilities
> .....same size and quality locker rooms and competition facilities
> .....equal access to practice and games during prime time
> .....same quality coaches as boys teams
> .....opportunity to play the same quality opponents
> .....the same awards and awards banquets
> .....have cheerleaders and band perform at girls games too, etc."
>
> I have no problems with the first items on the list, that's what Title IX
> was made for. But I do have a problem with some of them. "Same quality
> coaches?" How can you measure this? I suppose by salary, but what if the
> guy's team goes 35-10 and wins a national title and the girls only 10-30.
> Could they then sue and blame it on unequal coaching? Or better yet, since
> Nebraska's girls basketball team made the NCAA tournament under new coach
> Paul Sanderford, and people have wanted to fire Danny Nee (men's bb coach)
> for years, since he didn't get the men's basketball team to the tournament
> can we claim Title IX for unequal coaching?
>
> The cheerleader thing boarders on the absurd almost as well, especially the
> etc. thing. I think this is supposed to mean all the extras that go along
> with sports. I'm surprised it doesn't go so far as to mandate equal
> attenance. I mean hell, as long as we're in a quota system, why should guy's
> teams get a majority of the fans and girls don't? Let's make title ix
> require all people who buy season tickets for a men's sport spend an equal
> amount on women's sports. Well, maybe not.
>
> This reminds me alot of a recent lawsuit against movie theaters. Handicapped
> people claim that stadium seating is against the equal treatment law because
> it prevents handicapped people from gaining access to the best seats in the
> theater. Never mind that 97%+ of the people are watching movies from better
> seats and they save handicapped people the best seats in the non-stadium
> seating part(middle of the back row which is pretty close to the middle of
> the theater in), by god if that 3% or less of the population can't have
> access to the same exact stuff then let's sue and claim discrimination.
> Since we can't use an advance, no one can!
>
> The thing I hate about quota systems is that they equate use-of-opportunity
> with opportunity itself. here's another analogy. A business opens and hires
> 100 blue collar and 10 white collar jobs. 10 men and 10 women apply for the
> white collar jobs, but 150 men and only 25 women apply for the blue-collar
> jobs. The company can obviously fill the white collared ones to meet their
> quota, but even if they hired all 25 women for the blue-collared jobs they
> still couldn't meet their quota and could be subject to a discrimination
> suit. And this ignores the fact that they may turn down higher qualified men
> to meet that quota (I'm not saying men are necessarily higher qualified, but
> they could be)
>
> The same applies at schools. A school could offer plenty of sports for women
> and maybe they just aren't as interested.
>
> Finally, this takes the cake:
> from http://www.netspace.org/herald/library/titleix/homepage.html
>
> "When Brown University demoted its women's gymnastics and volleyball teams
> -- along with its men's golf and water polo
> squads -- from varsity to club-varsity status in April, 1991, the affected
> female athletes charged that the University's decision
> discriminated against women, thereby violating Title IX."
>
> They won and Brown is going thru the appeals process (currently up to the
> Supreme Court). Hrm, they cut 2 men's and 2 women's sports. Yep, that's
> definatly discriminating against women when they cut hte same number of
> men's and women's sports. After they originally sued the 2 women's sports
> were added back, and yet they still claimed they were discriminated against
> despite the fact the 2 men's sports weren't re-added. That, to me, is B*** S***.
>
> I love how when white males do anything to anybody, it's discrimination. But
> if anybody screws white males over, society accepts it. No wonder there's
> racial and sexual tension in our country.
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