I will disagree with you on one point, you said that
this is life at as an athlete at a premiere school. 
This MIGHT be life in Orono, but not at any premiere
school.

There is no way that this would have happened in
Boston.  NONE.  if a woman alleges that she is groped,
fleetingly in a bar and the a policeman is told about
it by the bar owner, there is no way the cop is going
hunting for the alleged groper.... NONE.  In towns
bigger than Orono, this is just not an allegation that
the courts are going to involve themselves in, nor
would the police involve themselves.

and I will once again ask that we stand behind him and
reserve judgment until we find out what happened.

remember I said that I was not looking to defend any
real wrong doing... I am not saying that a person has
a right to grab a breast in a bar.  I do not know the
totality of the circumstances, (would you change your
mind if you found out that she had flashed him a few
times that night on her way to and from the ladies'
room?  what if you found out that she had grabbed his
butt a few times while they were both on the dance
floor and he THOUGHT that she was flirting with him).


--- Adam Parker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I have to disagree on almost all the points here -
> the benefit of everyone having an opinion.  I will
> say that you're right when you talk about not being
> punished until proven guilty.  It's crazy that
> someone can be suspended just because another person
> claims that they were assaulted in that manner. 
> HOWEVER - that's the life you choose when you become
> an athlete at a premiere school - you are put under
> more scrutiny.
> 
> I disagree when it comes to the crime.  True, most
> people would slap the person in the face and walk
> away - but to imply that it's okay to have this
> happen to you because you're in a public
> establishment, or to imply that you give up your
> rights as a human to not be groped, that's
> ridiculous.  I don't care who does it to whom, but I
> don't think anyone should have to put up with
> another person grabbing their breast/penis/<insert
> body part here> just because they are in public. 
> I'm not saying I think calling the cops is
> necessary, but it's well within a person's rights,
> and they are NEVER in the wrong for doing so.  I'm
> sorry you feel that way.
> 
> As for the newspaper.  I could go either way here. 
> In the end, the paper has to sell copies, and if
> stories about prominent students at the local
> university sells papers, than that's what they will
> do.  They have the right to, and if people don't
> like it, they should stop buying it.  It's
> unfortunate that it could hurt the kids career, but
> then again it goes back to the additional scrutiny
> that an athlete takes on.  It's unfortunate, but
> when you are in that position, you have to be more
> careful.
> 
> For example - I work for a brokerage company.  I
> can't talk in public about my thoughts regarding the
> market or a certain stock, because if someone thinks
> I'm speaking on behalf of my company I can get in a
> lot of trouble.  It's not fair to me, but it's
> something I accept as part of my profession.
> 
> In the end - if the story is true - it's a dumb move
> by House.  If it's false, than it's a bad move by
> the BDN.  In either case, somebody comes out being
> an idiot.  The difference is, the BDN doesn't have
> to tell anyone if it's them.
> 
> --Adam 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Maine Hockey Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> james acheson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:23 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Another suspension based on alleged
> touching
> 
> not to defend and real wrongdoing, but read and
> reread the report.
> 
> He has been suspended for alleged touching.  This is
> Napoleonic law, unfortunately.  Maybe this is how
> things have to be up there, but I can tell you I am
> really happy that in the real world there are 3 huge
> differences.
> 1. I get punished after I am proven guilty, not when
> accused.  And my punishment when I am proven guilty
> is doubled because someone else did the same sort of
> thing last year, I am judged on what I did.
> 2. Grabbing a breast in a nighttclub as a man passes
> a woman is a face slap offense, or a punch in the
> mouth, and the police are not called.
> 3. Last, in the real world, newspapers that print
> this sort of BS just to increase circulation when
> they know that publication of such stories will ruin
> a kid's carreer are pretty trashy rags, other papers
> show restraint.  
> 
> I know of an NHL all star who used to get caught
> with young (legal age) men out in public on a fairly
> regular basis... The Boson police would tell this
> guy to take it somewhere else and NOT arrest him not
> because he was a star, but because that they knew
> that the punishment would grossly outweigh the
> offense. 
> The Briins would ditch him and nobody would ever
> pick him up.  I also know a reporter at a Boston
> newspaper who said that he would never publish these
> stories even though he knew of the offenses and
> where and when to go to get photographs.  He said
> that as long as they were consenting adults, he
> would not just ruin this guy's NHL career.
> 
> Can the BDN show a little bit or restraint???
> Do I have to read it every time Derek Damon misses a
> philosopy class?
> Did the BDN HAVE to publish all of the
> unsubstantiated reports surrounding the Mike
> Hamilton and posse incident??? If you remember the
> story printed, it sounded like Hammy rounded up 11
> hockey players and drove over the the house of the
> guy who stole his girlfriend to have all of his
> friends kick the guy's head in.
> The BDN NEVER printed a retraction or an apology
> when the facts came to light that Mike was invited
> to the apartment which was in the same complex as
> where he and the posse were already hanging out,
> outdoors. 
> They did not print that when Hammy walked up the
> walkway, he was met at the door by the "victim"
> wielding a baseball bat and threatening him.  They
> also did not print that the 4 guys who were arrested
> for criminal trespass were simply standing on a
> sidewalk outside the door to the apt, in a perfectly
> legal place to be.
> 
> Until I know the facts, I am not going to condemn
> Tanner House... It is often difficult to imagine how
> a guy who was summonsed (NOT ARRESTED) for such
> unlawful offensive touching could be innocent, but
> just ask yourself if that was the girl he had been
> with the night before, or if he and she had been
> dirty dancing for a while prior to the offense... 
> A lot of things are possible, let's stand behind him
> when he needs it, ok?
> 
> Jim the lawyer, who really hates it when people are
> tried and convicted in the media.
> 
> 
> --- William <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > In what has become a seemingly annual occurence,
> another UMaine hockey 
> > player has been suspended.
> > Shocking. 
> > 
> > Seriously, when will this end? Unbelievable.
> > 
> > ORONO, Maine (AP) � A University of Maine
> hockey player has been 
> > suspended following an incident in which he was
> accused of grabbing a 
> > woman’s breast.
> > Police say 21-year-old Tanner House was charged
> with unlawful sexual 
> > touching and assault following the incident early
> Sunday at a lounge 
> > near campus.
> > House, who’s from Alberta, Canada, has
> played in all seven of 
> > Maine’s hockey games this season and has
> one goal and one assist. A 
> > university spokesman says he’s suspended
> indefinitely until Athletic 
> > Director Blake James can review all the facts.
> > Last month, UMaine President Robert Kennedy
> doubled penalties for 
> > student-athletes who violate their code of
> conduct. All told, at least 
> > 15 different student-athletes and three coaches
> have faced legal 
> > trouble since last spring.
> > 
> 
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