Huh? Am I the only one who thinks this team is built around offense? We only 
have two really defensive d-men (Lundin and Ramsey) and heck, even our 
goaltender is offensive-minded!


>From: Steve Archer <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Maine Hockey Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Tim Whitehead
>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:55:57 -0400
>
>I almost never post here but usually read everything.  Having watched
>nearly every home game of the Walsh era up to 95 when I left to college,
>I think I know why a lot of people are down on whitehead.  People rather
>watch offensive teams over defensive.  I don't think it's so much Tim as
>the game in general changing in the late 90 from offensive to defensive
>minded.  Shawn's teams were more geared around offense and scored more
>goals than Tim's teams.  Tim is a defense first coach where the teams of
>the late 80's and early 90's tended to focus on offense more and let
>their all American goalies do their thing.  We had King, Delguidice,
>Dunham, Snow, et al. back then.
>
>I may be completely wrong but someone who has them can go back and
>compare team stats on Goals for / GA and shots taken / shots allowed and
>see.  I admit I'm not a big fan of Tim and can't say why.  He does get
>the job done in the NCAA's but the record in the reg season isn't great.
>That doesn't mean that I think they'd be better off with another coach.
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: The Maine Hockey Discussion List
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Adam Parker
>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:56 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Tim Whitehead
>
>
>Here comes the voice of reason (I'm sure Mosey is the only one who
>laughed right there):
>
>As much of many of us would like to pretend that we can "leave Walsh out
>of it" - it's impossible to do, and here'd why.  Had Tim Whitehead taken
>over Merrimack, Alabama Huntsville, Dartmouth, or another school that is
>not a perrenial power like Maine is, then advancing to the Frozen Four 4
>out of 6 years would be an amazing accomplishment.  It would probably
>get the coach a long, wealthy extension.  The coach would get many job
>offers from "better" schools, and who knows where they would go from
>there.
>
>Unfortunately for Tim, he did not enter into that situation.  He
>followed one of the greatest coaches in history (IMHO - to make sure Bob
>knows I'm hip).    He also followed a team relatively fresh off an NCAA
>Championship.  First, Tim took Shawn's players to the title game, and
>the knock was that he didn't do it with his own guys.  Now he's coaching
>his own guys, and he's gone to 3 of the last 4 frozen fours.
>
>Some would say that it's Tim's fault for not putting together or
>coaching a team that would get over the hump and win the championship.
>But, let's compare him to his peers.  Has any other coach had the
>success that Tim has had as far as advancing in the tournament?  No -
>but Mosey is right.  Advancing to the Frozen Four will only mean so much
>after a while, which is why Tim has to win it.  Unfortunately for Tim,
>every step he takes, he's going to be compared to someone.  First (as I
>said) it was "Can he win with his own guys?"  Now it's "Can he win the
>big one?"  Eventually it will become "Can he sustain the success?" and
>so on.
>
>When all is said and done - we are a national powerhouse.  Slumps like
>we had at the end of the season are unacceptable.  Advancing to the
>Frozen four this frequently without winning a championship has become
>unacceptable to some.  However, he's still at the top of his game, and
>having success that nobody else in the country is having (on a national
>level).  Also - one final note - he wasn't on the ice when Maine failed
>to score on a 6-3 against Denver for a minute to tie the game.  There
>are some situations that he just can't control, as much as we'd like him
>to.
>
>Now - how about this for the next discussion topic:  IF YOU CAN'T GO TO
>COLLEGE, GO TO STATE!
>
>1-2-3...M-A-I-N-E....GOOOOO BLUE!
>
>--Adam (THE University of Maine - '03)
>
>   _____
>
>From: The Maine Hockey Discussion List
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anthony DelMonaco
>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:03 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Tim Whitehead
>
>
>Well I'd like to see any of our posts on here back in 92? Then again I
>live in Maine and we just got running water and indoor plumbing last
>week. I'm not on any meds so I guess you'll have to find something else
>to pick at. Pardon me I'm 26, I don't remember much of what went on in
>88 other than playing in a damn sandbox. From now on I'll leave Walsh
>out of it. Lets start with Dungy, he had a team with great players on it
>that played well, hello Mr Manning,
>Vinaimnotgonnasayhisnamebecauseigetheated, Addai, a defense that Maine
>hockey would kill for, Harrison, the list goes on, these players are all
>great players who DIDN'T under achieve. My point is that this team has
>players who SHOULD be doing better than they are. I see a defenseman
>turning into (and I don't go on USCHO much anymore but I remember this
>nickname) the Jeff "the Human Pylon" Mushaluk. Other players that have
>the talent to be among the top scorers in the nation. A rookie who has
>the best handwork since Gimmetacos, sorry Dimitrakos. Teddy has the
>ability and skill to be a great hockey player, hell he already is, but
>at the rate he'll end up being undrafted playing for the Bruins or
>something awful like that. I know a lot of you people don't live in
>Maine, fortunately(or maybe it's unfortunately) I do, I'm a proud season
>ticket holder(no I was still pooping yellow when this team started to
>get going. I don't remember back in those days because the only thing I
>was focused on was Tom and Jerry, Fruit Loops and the sandbox) but how
>many of you saw some of the games at the Alfond this year where they
>couldn't get the puck out of the zone CONSISTENTLY for the whole game,
>the sloppy passing, odd man rushes, hanging Bishop out to dry and the
>list can go on. It seemed like they are trying to get by on their name
>alone. Unless you're a Kennedy in Massachusetts you can't get by on your
>name. You have to actually show some signs of life that you want to win.
>It was hard to sit through some of those games because the game they
>were playing WASN'T what I can recall Maine Hockey being in my few years
>that I've been on this planet. It was pathetic, and I know I'm not the
>only one that feels this way, because a lot of the people leaving the
>Alfond after these games were saying the same way. Yeah yeah, 4 in 6
>years.  Pardon me, I need to find some meds, I want to hurl.
>
>Mosey(THE University of Maine '03)
>
>
>
>If you don't have the best of everything, make the best of everything
>you have
>
>-Shawn Walsh
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Bob Fitta <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 7:33:53 PM
>Subject: Re: Tim Whitehead
>
>Okay is this a serious post?????
>
>Anthony do you know how many Frozen Fours Shawn Walsh got too before
>they won in '93?  1988, Maine was #1 in the country, but lost in Lake
>Placid, 1989 team adversity made it to St. Paul before losing in the
>semis, and in 1991 Maine lost in the semis to Northern Michigan.
>
>By the way Maine also had the #1 team in '92, but lost in the quarters
>to Michigan State.  Would have loved to see your posts back then, after
>all he couldn't even make it to the championship game!!!!!!!  Should
>have fired him!
>
>And I'll take Tony Dungy, if memory serves he won the Super Bowl this
>year, which is why I wonder if this is all tongue in cheek!  I give you
>credit though, at least your name is on this, unlike the anonymous fools
>on USCHO!
>
>Anthony, I think it's time for your meds, obviously something about Tim
>rubs you the wrong way, must be that easy going nature of his!
>
>Bob Fitta
>UMaine '83 (Maine's record that year 5-24, 1-20 ECAC!!!!)
>
>On Mar 26, 2007, at 6:15 PM, Anthony DelMonaco wrote:
>
>
>
>We have another Tony Dungy on our hands. I'm beginning to choke on all
>this 4 Frozen Fours in 6 years crap. WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP!!! Those guys
>don't go out there and play a whole season and say hey lets make it to
>the Frozen Four and then lose, if any of you read the Bangor Daily today
>Bishop said they're there to win it, hopefully he doesn't get let down,
>along with the rest of us. So if Maine doesn't pull it off in St. Louis
>we're gonna have hear about Tim's 4th Frozen Four in 6 years and still
>no titles, more hyped up players coming into the program that under
>achieve, but hey that's ok, he's been to 4 Frozen Fours in 6 years.
>We're turning into the Atlanta Braves, OR, and I hate to say it because
>Nonni is gonna jump all over me, THE RED SOX!!!! Give me a break.
>
>mosey come lately
>
>
>
>If you don't have the best of everything, make the best of everything
>you have
>
>-Shawn Walsh
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Bob Fitta <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:10:35 AM
>Subject: Re: Tim Whitehead
>
>Well it looks like we have found our next coach! Scott Lerman!
>
>Bruce thank you for what you stated so eloquently and I have tried to do
>on this and other boards, but was not as thoughtful.
>
>Great article on Tim at College Hockey News
><http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2007/03/24_maineman.php>
>http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2007/03/24_maineman.php that
>addresses people that feel the same way Scott does.
>
>I have often said we're in the silent majority, but we have built up a
>very spoiled fan base of Johnny-come-lately followers.  When you
>consider this is Tim's 4th Frozen Four in 6 YEARS and over that same
>course of time, BU has been to 0, UNH to 2, Michigan has not been to one
>since Buffalo and Minnesota has missed the last 2 you have to scratch
>your head and wonder what the hell people are complaining about.
>
>No question it was a frustrating year, but where are they now?  And
>please don't give me the weak bracket crap, Maine went where they were
>told to go and did what was required!
>
>Bob Fitta
>UMAINE "83
>
>On Mar 25, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Scott Lerman wrote:
>
>
>On 3/25/07, Bruce Hale < <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
>He has turned around a collapsing, demoralized team
>
>
>And why was the team collapsing? They weren't doing things that even I
>know to do, specifically hitting people, standing guys up at the blue
>line, and getting a forward in front of the net instead of putting all
>three of them behind the net.
>
>
>
>in the one of the most difficult tournaments there is
>
>
>Tournament, maybe, but Maine was in arguably the weakest regional.
>Michigan State had to beat BU and Notre Dame. BC had it almost as easy
>as Maine, thanks to Miami upsetting UNH. Whoever wins the
>Minnesota/North Dakota game obviously had to win that game. Beating St.
>Cloud (who only had 4 wins against tournament teams, 2 each against
>Clarkson and Minnesota) and UMass (who's only wins against tournament
>teams were Maine, BC, and UNH, and went 3-2-2 against teams outside
>Hockey East, including a tie against Clarkson and a loss to Alabama)
>isn't an exceptionally spectacular feat.
>
>--
>Scott Lerman
>
>
>
>
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