I have never understood the distinction, either. As far back as I can
remember, "fighting" when associated with "Irish" meant drunken brawls.
When associated with "Indian", it meant warrior. I'd rather be thought
a warrior than a drunken fool. Please note that I am part Irish as well
as a proud UND alum.
Nancy
UND '70
Go SIOUX!!
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Subject: Re: Dartmouth Official Apologizes for Inviting the 'Fighting
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I still wonder why, if "Fighting Sioux" is offensive, the "Fighting
Irish" is not offensive.
Sara
SLU '77
Let's go SAINTS!!!
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From: Moller Edward N <[log in to unmask]>
> From the Chronicle of Higher Education, November 26, 2006:
>
> >The University of North Dakota may have won a temporary reprieve on
> >the
> use of its "Fighting Sioux" nickname in postseason tournaments, but
> the athletics director at Dartmouth College is making it known that
> she disagrees with that decision. The director, Jo Ann (Josie)
> Harper, has publicly apologized for inviting the team to participate
> in a hockey tournament scheduled for next month, the Associated Press
> reported. In her apology, published in the college newspaper last
> week, Ms. Harper said officials had not considered North Dakota's
> nickname when the scheduling was done nearly two years ago. "I deeply
> regret that we didn't," she wrote.
>
> >North Dakota is suing the NCAA over its restrictions on American
> >Indian
> nicknames and mascots that are considered offensive, and the
> university recently won a legal order delaying enforcement of those
> rules until the matter is decided in court.
>
>
> I have stayed away from this conversation on this forum, but now I
> feel compelled to write. What on earth does Dartmouth have to
apologize for?
> Are they implying that they did something wrong by inviting NoDak to
> the tournament? If that is what they are implying, then will they
> hold that standard up to all other institutions of higher learning
> when considering intercollegiate competition? Further, will they also
> apply that standard when considering joint academic endeavors such as
> the hiring of visiting faculty members? What about transfer students?
> Are they saying that no UND underclassmen need apply?
>
> Full disclosure: I am left of center politically and a proud citizen
> of Massachusetts, who tends to lean towards the removal of nicknames
> that cross the boundaries of good taste (Redskin IMHO is racist; I'm
> pretty sure that Fighting Sioux is over the line; I don't have a
> problem with the use of a tribal name by itself). But for Dartmouth
> to say that it is holier than thou (regardless of having removed its
> Native American nickname many years ago) opens up a Pandora's box. As
> A BU fan whose team will be playing in Hanover that week, I'm not so
> sure that I would want to be a part of their tournament.
>
>
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