Seems like the time to start a team at Columbia, so the original IV are all
included in the Ivy Conference.  There must be an ice arena in NYC that can
support a precision skating, team, intramurals, alumni night leagues and
local youth lessons as well as a hockey team.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Lewin <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: Geography


>Splitting the ECAC into an Ivy and non-Ivy conference has been discussed
>before.  I think that the Ivy league considers itself an elite organization
>and is closed to the rest of us mortals.  The Ivy league also puts
>restrictions on its member schools such as prohibition of athletic
>scholarships and a limit (lower than NCAA) on the number of games allowed.
>Not sure if other schools would be willing to submit themselves to those
>restrictions.
>
>There was the old saying back in the 70's and 80's that the Ivy League
>wouldn't condescend to paying athletic scholarships but gave money based
>only on "need". But, if Bill Cleary (then Harvard coach)  "needed" a
>goalie.....
>
>On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Todd Nielson <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
>> Some of our Ivy League friends may correct me, but I don't believe a
>> college
>> or university can simply "go Ivy."  If I understand my history correctly,
>> the Ivy League was established early in the 20th century as an
arrangement
>> for several northeastern colleges to play football.  I don't know if
>> academic standards were part of the equation but I suspect they were.
>> Interestingly, Army (USMA) was originally part of the old football
league,
>> and Boston College would have been if they had played football back then.
>>
>> In my last note, I meant an outright split of the ECAC into two
>> conferences,
>> not divisions.
>>
>> -Todd
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Makowiec" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: Geography
>>
>>
>> > At 4-1-2009 01:49 PM, Todd Nielson wrote:
>> > >Why not simply split the ECAC along Ivy/non-Ivy lines? That would
>> > >open up all kinds of realignment possibilites in this pie-in-the-sky
>> scenario.
>> >
>> > That's easy now, with 6 Ivies in a 12-team league.  However, unless
>> > one of the missing Ivies (Columbia, Penn) can be convinced to take up
>> > hockey, or somebody else can be convinced to go Ivy
>> > (Colgate?  Qpac?), the number of Ivies is fixed.
>> >
>> > Joe
>> > --
>> > Joe Makowiec can be reached at:
>> > http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe
>> > http://makowiec.org/
>>
>