I have never understood the distinction, either. As far back as I can
remember, "fighting" when associated with "Irish" meant drunken brawls.
When associated with "Indian", it meant warrior.  I'd rather be thought
a warrior than a drunken fool.  Please note that I am part Irish as well
as a proud UND alum.

Nancy
UND '70
Go SIOUX!!

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Subject: Re: Dartmouth Official Apologizes for Inviting the 'Fighting
Sioux' to Tournament

I still wonder why, if "Fighting Sioux" is offensive, the "Fighting
Irish" is not offensive.  

Sara
SLU '77
Let's go SAINTS!!!

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From: Moller Edward N <[log in to unmask]>
> From the Chronicle of Higher Education, November 26, 2006:
> 
> >The University of North Dakota may have won a temporary reprieve on 
> >the
> use of its "Fighting Sioux" nickname in postseason tournaments, but 
> the athletics director at Dartmouth College is making it known that 
> she disagrees with that decision.  The director, Jo Ann (Josie) 
> Harper, has publicly apologized for inviting the team to participate 
> in a hockey tournament scheduled for next month, the Associated Press 
> reported.  In her apology, published in the college newspaper last 
> week, Ms. Harper said officials had not considered North Dakota's 
> nickname when the scheduling was done nearly two years ago.  "I deeply

> regret that we didn't," she wrote.
> 
> >North Dakota is suing the NCAA over its restrictions on American 
> >Indian
> nicknames and mascots that are considered offensive, and the 
> university recently won a legal order delaying enforcement of those 
> rules until the matter is decided in court.
> 
> 
> I have stayed away from this conversation on this forum, but now I 
> feel compelled to write.  What on earth does Dartmouth have to
apologize for?
> Are they implying that they did something wrong by inviting NoDak to 
> the tournament?  If that is what they are implying, then will they 
> hold that standard up to all other institutions of higher learning 
> when considering intercollegiate competition?  Further, will they also

> apply that standard when considering joint academic endeavors such as 
> the hiring of visiting faculty members?  What about transfer students?

> Are they saying that no UND underclassmen need apply?
> 
> Full disclosure:  I am left of center politically and a proud citizen 
> of Massachusetts, who tends to lean towards the removal of nicknames 
> that cross the boundaries of good taste (Redskin IMHO is racist; I'm 
> pretty sure that Fighting Sioux is over the line; I don't have a 
> problem with the use of a tribal name by itself).  But for Dartmouth 
> to say that it is holier than thou (regardless of having removed its 
> Native American nickname many years ago) opens up a Pandora's box.  As

> A BU fan whose team will be playing in Hanover that week, I'm not so 
> sure that I would want to be a part of their tournament.
> 
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