If you've ever been to a youth hockey game (or any sporting event featuring
children),  you'd quickly realize that sending a note to the parents might
not have the  desired result

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Terrence J. Toy <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Every one of those kids has a parent or two. Sounds like a parental
> training problem to me. How about we take pictures of 10 each game, identify
> them, and send a little note to their parents?
>
> TJT
> ________________________________________
> From: - Hockey-L - The College Hockey Discussion List [
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carol White [
> [log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 12:13 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: profanity at hockey games
>
> WOW.
>
> How many students are in that student "section"?  They would have a problem
> ejecting the entire student section at Mariucci.
>
> That very same announcement is made at Mariucci before every game -
> mandated
> by the ever popular NC$$.
>
> I really don't understand their focus on the word "sucks".  And I wonder
> how
> this goes over at Yost Arena, as I understand they are really bold with
> their chants there.
>
> At Minnesota, they have tried to eliminate this word and all bad language.
> The only chant I really have a problem with is "F*** the (Team name here)".
>
>
> I suppose we will all have to be on guard at the Frozen Four.
>
> Carol
> GO Gophers!!!
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Mark Lewin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > This article appeared in the Sunday Albany Times Union on Feb 27.
> > (hopefully, the copyright police won't come after me at my undisclosed
> > location on a small island near the north pole).
> >
> > I offer this without comment
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > SCHENECTADY -- Before every Union
> > College<
> >
> http://www.timesunion.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Union+College%22
> > >hockey
> > game, the announcement is the same:
> >
> > "We request your cooperation by supporting the participants and officials
> > in
> > a positive manner. Profanity, racial or sexist comments or other
> > intimidating actions directed at officials, student-athletes, coaches or
> > team representatives ... are grounds for removal from the site of
> > competition and other disciplinary actions."
> >
> > And they're not kidding.
> >
> > Students who yell chants the school has deemed vulgar or offensive are
> > getting the boot from Union hockey games. The practice began midway
> through
> > last season, students said, and while school officials claim it's in the
> > name of promoting sportsmanship, some students said it's gone too far.
> >
> > "I understand not allowing vulgar language," senior John
> > Russell<
> >
> http://www.timesunion.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22John+Russell%22
> > >said,
> > "but not allowing fans to express emotion during games is a bit much."
> >
> > Students said public safety officers have come down hard on the use of
> the
> > word "sucks" during games, ejecting any students who use it to jeer
> > opposing teams.
> >
> > At Friday night's game against Quinnipiac
> > University<
> >
> http://www.timesunion.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Quinnipiac+University%22
> > >,
> > Russell was one of some 15 students who stood on the last row of the
> lower
> > student section, just below the band. Justin
> > Zolot<
> >
> http://www.timesunion.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Justin+Zolot%22
> > >waved
> > a garnet flag with Union's seal on it, banging its pole against the
> > bench to make noise.
> >
> > The team, ranked fifth in the nation, moved on to the playoffs after
> Friday
> > night's game that ended in a 2-2 tie after overtime.
> >
> > Friday night, chants were clean and employed the use of an emphatic
> "let's
> > go," but Russell and others in the group said they have been threatened
> > with
> > ejection in the past. At a recent home game against Cornell
> > University<
> >
> http://www.timesunion.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Cornell+University%22
> > >,
> > he said, the entire student section was threatened with removal.
> >
> > "It keeps us from supporting the school," he said.
> >
> > Athletic Director Jim
> > McLaughlin<
> >
> http://www.timesunion.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Jim+McLaughlin%22
> > >said
> > the directive to remove those who yell less-than-polite chants came
> > from him and other athletic department staff, and is in step with
> > NCAA<
> >
> http://www.timesunion.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22NCAA%22
> > >principles
> > of good sportsmanship and conduct.
> >
> > "They rely on the individual campuses to enforce and set up the right
> > atmosphere," McLaughlin said. "Essentially we expect positive behavior
> that
> > respects all of those in the building."
> >
> > McLaughlin said the department coordinated with the school's public
> safety
> > department to enforce the rules, and pointed to the warning announced
> > before
> > every game.
> >
> > But senior Danielle
> > Mendiola<
> >
> http://www.timesunion.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Danielle+Mendiola%22
> > >said
> > the message is broadcast about 10 minutes before each game, when the
> > student section is largely empty.
> >
> > "Ninety-eight percent of fans aren't here at the time of the
> announcement,"
> > she said, adding how most students get to games two to three minutes
> before
> > they begin, at the earliest.
> >
> > Mendiola lamented what she called the rules' inconsistency and a failure
> by
> > school officials to effectively communicate them.
> >
> > "My biggest frustration with it is it's not a set rule," she said. "They
> > almost never have an issue when we say, 'see ya, (expletive),' but they
> get
> > mad when we say 'sucks.' "
> >
> > Students often chant "See ya, (expletive)" when a player on the opposing
> > team gets sent to the penalty box, but lately, Mendiola said, school
> > officials have been seen directing the band to play over the chant.
> >
> > At Cornell, she said, a sign clearly states profanity is not allowed, and
> > Union officials should at least send a campuswide e-mail delineating
> > the policy.
> >
> > "I would be willing to do different chants if they (officials) weren't so
> > wishy-washy," she said.
> >
> > On Thursday, the majority of students approached on campus by a Times
> > Union<
> >
> http://www.timesunion.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Times+Union%22
> > >reporter
> > had not heard of the rule.
> >
> > "They've done that?!" freshman Dylan
> > Tripodi<
> >
> http://www.timesunion.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Dylan+Tripodi%22
> > >said
> > when asked if he knew of students being removed from games.
> > "That's awful."
> >
> > The large group of standing students at Friday's game shows up every
> time,
> > Russell said, and their chants are mild compared to other schools.
> >
> > Mendiola said announcers at rival RPI purposely pause after announcing
> each
> > opposing team player's name, giving time for fans to yell "sucks" after
> > each name.
> >
> > The word "sucks" and its variants are staples of many RPI hockey chants,
> > such as one where students yell "sucking" over the announcer as he
> reports
> > which penalty a certain player is headed to the penalty box for.
> >
> > Fans are also known for yelling, "He sucks too," after the name of an
> > opposing coach is called, and as the clock winds down during games
> against
> > any opponent, fans shout out their biggest rival, Clarkson
> > University<
> >
> http://www.timesunion.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Clarkson+University%22
> > >,
> > when they chant, "And Clarkson still sucks."
> >
> > "It's so different at so many schools," Mendiola said.
> >
> > At Boston University<
> >
> http://www.timesunion.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Boston+University%22
> > >,
> > an athletics department spokesman said the arena has an equally strict
> > policy about foul language put in place in 2006. The policy arose to
> > eliminate one specific chant during hockey games: "(expletive) 'em up,
> > (expletive) 'em up, 'cause they suck."
> >
> > Since the rule was put in place, the chant stopped, and games were made
> > more
> > family-friendly.
> >
> > On Friday night, much to students' chagrin, that's exactly what happened
> > at Union.
> >
> > "I think it's stupid," senior Kristin
> > Joyce<
> >
> http://www.timesunion.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Kristin+Joyce%22
> > >said.
> > "I think it's good fun -- just part of the game."
> >
> > Read more:
> >
> >
> http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Union-s-goal-No-foul-mouths-1032242.php#ixzz1FAymcKLt
> >
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> --
> Carol S. White
>
> "Imagination is more powerful even than knowledge." ~ Albert Einstein**
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