>
> This situation is a perfect example of why there needs to be someone
> regulating statistics for college hockey. First, a short recap.
>
> Friday night, BU beat Merrimack, 10-4. Merrimack G Martin Legault
> gave up 4 goals in the first and then was pulled for Eric Thibeault
> with the score 4-0 to start the second. Merrimack cut it to 4-1, then
> Thibeault gave up 3. It was 7-1 after 2, and Matt Poska replaced
> Thibeault to start the third. Poska allowed 3 - score now 10-1 - and
> then Merrimack scored 3 to make the final 10-4.
>
> The game-winning goal, of course, goes to the player who scored BU's
> 5th goal - I believe it was Jay Pandolfo. And the goalies who get the
> decision are supposed to be the ones who are in net at the time that
> the game-winning goal is scored. Thus, since Thibeault had replaced
> Legault, Thibeault should get the loss for Merrimack. But I noticed
> that it was given to Legault, and apparently this is the way it is
> done by at least some of the teams in Hockey East - Legault's team
> never came back to tie, so he gets the loss. I can understand the
> reasoning. But then again, Legault did not actually surrender the
> goal that caused Merrimack to lose - at least as valid reasoning.
>
> What I'd like to know is, from those of you who are SIDs or somehow
> affiliated with teams, how do you award the loss in this situation?
> Do you follow the NHL (and generally accepted method, in my
> experience) and award it to the goalie who allowed the GWG? Or do you
> give it to the goalie who allowed the goal that put your team behind
> to stay?
You are supposed to do the NHL method and award the goalie with the decision
when the winning goal was scored. The winning goal number is always the
amount the losing team scored plus one.
>
> I suspect there is a wide variance of opinions on this. My experience
> has been that there are almost as many different ways of keeping hockey
> stats as there are teams. There is no book like the NC$$ Ice Hockey
> Rules and Interpretations that tells you specifically how assists,
> goalie decisions, GWGs, +/-, etc. are to be kept. So everyone
> interprets this to mean that they can do it however they choose -
> understandable, but wouldn't it be better to have a national agreement
> on how stats will be kept so everyone is doing the same thing?
Unfortunately, where do you go for "training" on this. When I worked at
the CCHA, minor modifications were made to the sheets we would get from
the member schools because they did the scoring wrong. It's not something
you can really blame on the SID, because some of the SIDs are college
students themselves doing their first SID job, some do not have hockey
as their major sport. As far as I know the NHL does not really have a
manual about how to score the sport and I really don't know about the
NCAA either, although somebody had to make the decision when the game
misconduct went from one penalty for no minutes to one penalty for ten
minutes.
>
> Even a better example than the above: we all know that assists go to
> the last two guys to touch the puck other than the goal scorer. But I
> know for a fact that not everyone follows this. Two scenarios:
>
> 1) Team A vs Team B. A1 tries a pass to A2; puck bounces off B1 and
> winds up on the stick of A3, who goes in and scores. I've seen it
> happen where the goal is given unassisted (instead of one to A1)
> because it was last *touched* by an opponent. I have always believed
> it to be that it should have been last *controlled* by an opponent.
> I will say that in most of my experiences, A1 gets the assist - but
> not always.
A1 should.
>
> 2) A1 has the puck, gets checked into the boards. A2 swings by and picks
> it up, then fires a long pass to A3 who scores. I've seen the goal
> called A3 from A2. No A1. Argument is that A1 did not do anything to
> directly cause the goal. I can sympathize with that, but I don't
> agree, and worse, this is a case of people making up their own rules.
> I want everyone deciding this the same way across the country. As it
> is, A1 might pick up an assist at North Dakota but not at Yale on the
> EXACT SAME PLAY. (NoDak & Yale are examples; I don't actually know
> how they score at either place.)
>
> This should be very easy to do. I know that I'm one of those people
> who hates it when the numbers are wrong, and I wish there was
> something that could be done about it to make stat-keeping uniform
> across NC$$ hockey.
>
One slow day when I was at the CCHA, I went through past records and
figured out team assists per goal. This varied from 1.3 to 1.7, which
should be beyond statistical significance. Again, we are dealing with
a real lack of professional scorers. Baseball only needs one, hockey
needs at least four, and the worst scorer becomes the standard bearer
for the entire group.
Another area that Mike did not expound on was shots on goal. This is
also very inconsistent across the board.
> I would do something about it, but I don't believe it would make a
> difference...unless I heard from a number of SID or similarly-affiliated
> folks who believe I am raising good points. My wish is that this
> stuff would be incorporated into the Rules and Interpretations manual.
> So feel free to pass this on to any of the members of the Rules
> Committee you come into contact with...remember, it only benefits the
> kids to have their accomplishments recorded correctly.
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> Mike Machnik [log in to unmask]
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O Mike Burger Over 150 goals scored
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###### / | Univ. of Michigan - 1990 Over 190 credits taken
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