So, if we can't have Indian names can we still have the "Fighting
Irish"?  And if so, why is that OK?

Sara
SLU '77
Let's go SAINTS!!!


.Doug Peterson wrote:

>One of the CNN headlines today is "40 People Hurt in N. Ireland Riots".
>That would be the Orange (Ulster Scots / Protestants / etc.) side I believe.
>On the Green side would be the IRA / Catholics / etc., I believe.  Without
>intending to turn this political, I am just pointing out there is a couple
>hundred years of history and strong associations tied up with those
>colors.
>
>On the other hand, I can't tell that Syracuse's selection of Orange back in
>1890 was anything other than picking a better color than the combination
>of pink and pea green.  (What were they thinking with the original color
>selection?)  The religious association Syracuse had was Methodist -
>Episcopal and not Presbyterian.  I think someone pointed that it was (or
>may have been) simply changing the name to get rid of "-men" to be
>come more gender neutral.
>
>It is so off-season...
>
>Doug Peterson
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>On 5 Aug 2005 at 17:57, mike patten wrote:
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>why does orangemen bother someone of irish-american decent? is it
>considered anti green?
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>>Time to climb on the soapbox.  First the ban from using the name/logo
>>during postseason events; then a ban from using the name/logo at
>>all???
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>>I personally find the name of the Syracuse "Orangemen" offensive, my
>>ancestors having come from Ireland.  Where is the NCAA concern about
>>that?  Having an athletic team named the Orangemen is as offensive to
>>an Irish-American as having a team named the Ku Klux Klan would be to
>>an African-American.
>>
>>I would be very interested in hearing from persons of American Indian
>>descent on the issue referred to below.
>>
>>
>>Cathy Spreeman
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>>-----Original Message-----
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>>Subject: NCAA bans Indian mascots, nicknames from postseason events
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>>NCAA bans Indian mascots, nicknames from postseason events
>>Associated Press
>>August 5, 2005
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>>INDIANAPOLIS- The NCAA banned the use of American Indian mascots by
>>sports teams during its postseason tournaments, but will not prohibit
>>them otherwise.
>>
>>The NCAA's executive committee decided this week the organization did
>>not have the authority to bar Indian mascots by individual schools,
>>committee chairman Walter Harrison said Friday.
>>
>>Nicknames or mascots deemed "hostile or abusive'' would not be
>>allowed by teams on their uniforms or other clothing beginning with
>>any NCAA tournament after Feb. 1, said Harrison, the University of
>>Hartford's president.
>>
>>"What each institution decides to do is really its own business''
>>outside NCAA championship events, he said.
>>
>>Guidelines were not immediately available on which logos and
>>nicknames would be considered "hostile or abusive.''
>>
>>The NCAA two years ago recommended that schools determine for
>>themselves whether the Indian depictions were offensive.
>>
>>Among the schools to change nicknames in recent years over such
>>concerns were St. John's (from Redmen to Red Storm) and Marquette
>>(from Warriors to Golden Eagles).
>>
>>The NCAA plans to ban schools using Indian nicknames from hosting
>>postseason events. Harrison said schools with such mascots that have
>>already been selected as tournament sites would be asked to cover any
>>offensive logos.
>>
>>Such logos also would be prohibited at postseason games on
>>cheerleader and band uniforms starting in 2008.
>>
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