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Take Kenner, the major specialist on Ezra.
http://www.bookwire.com/bookwire/bbr/reviews/March2001/hugh_kenner_thegrandtour.htm
He once wrote a book about "Poetry of Ezra Pound".
Then discarded it, it's not in print anymore, but there's "Pound Era".
No poetry then, but time, Zeitgeist, yeah? (Check "Time and Western
Man" by Lewis to get a good taste for Zeitgeists).
Now the interview linked above.
===
HB: It's fascinating to think of Beckett writing in algorithms before
anybody had heard of computer languages. How does that pertain to what
many of us find to be the despair in Beckett?
HK: I think the fact that I approach Beckett without the word absurd
in my mind is a good thing. When people start thinking "Theater of the
Absurd," that's all they can see. There was nothing the least bit
absurd about Sam. He was the sweetest man I ever knew, period.

HB: I find lots of Beckett funny.
HK: He is very funny, much of the time.

HB: Do you think some of his humor comes from the way he portrays
people as if they were cybernetic organisms?
HK: Yes, it's a kind of humorous game.

HB: The way, say, Chaplin is funny when he shows people acting like
machines in "Modern Times."
HK: It ought to be seen as a humorous game, not as looking down in
sarcasm.
===

And here:
===
HK: I've told the story many times of Marshall McLuhan and I meeting
Ezra Pound. The difference between me and Marshall comes out there. I
suddenly knew that I was in the presence of the center of modernism.
Marshall, meanwhile, on the ride home, was disagreeing with almost
everything Pound said: "He was just, you know, a crank."
===
Now what saw McLuhan? He saw an old man

That has lost his center
                    fighting the world.

And what Kenner saw? He saw a center of literary movement, dead,

a shade, that is in hell
So full of knowing that the beefy men know less than he.

Tremendous, said Hugh Kenner, ...
===
 I made
friends and I kept going back. And then one day Pound said, "You have
an obligation to visit the great men of your time." I didn't realize
it, but he was sending me on a grand tour".
===
And he, full of blood...

I will sail after knowledge, said Hugh,

                  Knowledge the shade of a shade,
Yet must thou sail after knowledge
Knowing less than drugged beasts...

Pretty, pretty...


===
HB: And you translate between those languages. In "Mechanic Muse," you
wrote a Pascal computer program that basically conveys the meaning of
a passage from Samuel Beckett. You did that to show that some passages
by Beckett anticipate the strictly imperative mood of computer
algorithms.
HK: I knew I had to meet Beckett after reading one sentence on the
first page of "Molloy": "You grow dumb as well and sounds fade. The
threshold scarcely crossed that's how it is." I said, my god, I've got
to meet him. I'd not heard of him when I made my grand tour, you see.
The next year I made a special trip, a special trip to France to meet
Samuel Beckett. We got on very well.
===

Now what's the virtue of the talker? To answer the question you're
asked or to evade it?

And knowledge...

Understanding Media, Ch. 6. "Media as Translators":

"Under electric technology the entire business of man becomes learning
and knowing."

And Hugh was good, wrote a book on Geodesic Math, whereas McLuhan even
refused to use a typewriter.

And here is Ezra's interview which Wyndham Lewis says made him think
he's done with:

"It is possible to imagine music being taken out of the chamber, and
entering social and industrial life so completely and so splendidly
that the whole clamor of a great factory will be rhythmically
regulated, and the workers work, not to a deafening din, but to a
superb symphony. The factory manager would be a musical conductor on
an immense scale, and each artisan would be an instrumentalist..."
(dated before 1926)

In Canto CXI, we read "Disney against the metaphysicals", and the
Carrol Terrol's (Carrol Terrol, author of "Stephen King: Man and
Artist") companion says Ezra lately became a fan of movies.

(McLuhan, says Kenner, would go to a movie, watch it for 20 minutes,
then say "enough" and leave, and then 'analyze')

Now Kenner wrote a book about 'the great "Bugs Bunny" animator, Chuck
Jones'.

McLuhan calls the state of Narcissus "benumbent". Is is that nice to be
ruled by old men benumbed with cartoons? And Confucius, the Way, such
stuff...

Remember "Ghost Dog, the Way of Samurai"? The first rule of the
Samurai, the second... -- and a real cool guy that Samurai. His master
old demented Mafioso, watching, right, Bugs Bunny all the time,
running him on errands of destroying other demented Mafiosi.

America, Patria Mia... And this, wait, is not an ad we're reading?

Make it Nude. Poetry is Noise that stays Noise. Great artist are the
winners of the Race.  ???
Yeah???

==========
p.s. What McLuhan adored, and what he wrote an essay on, was "Ezra Pound's
style, his _method_."

p.p.s EP is definitely my favorite poet. I'd call him 'the heart of
modernism'. The heart, that is, not brain.

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