Interesting that a question concerning Spengler woke up this list and
the answer may yet put its blinking Fafnir eyes back to sleep.
    On the emotional question of anti-Semitism someone has wisely pointed
out (and that someone he is Jewish himself, maybe Finkelstien said this)
that an anti-Semite used to be someone who hates Jews. Now it is whoever
Jews hate. Of course we may yet see the greatest of all ironies finally be
recognized, i.e. that there is either no such thing as a Jew or we are all
Jewish. As for AIPAC getting what it wants the irony there is that sometimes
that turns out to be the worst thing that can happen to one.
    I like Pound for the same reasons Tom likes him as an apostle of beauty
and justice. I also agree with Tom on government ("grass with wind above it
must bend"). Just sad to see that they're all my age now and such miserable
psychological wrecks. I would guess that Tom like me has reached that age at
which Confucius said, "At sixty was ready to listen to them." i.e. "the
orders of heaven". Still overstepping the t-square though as is here
evidenced.

"But if you're carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it
with anyone anyhow." Remember?

Charles

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>From: Tom White <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Pound & Politics
>Date: Sat, Jan 25, 2003, 12:03 AM
>

> Richard:
> The "typical strategy" you describe seems to be still the approach of people
> deploring "Jewish influence," as in Hollywood and pop culture generally. The
> Net is waxing hot these days on all that.
>
> And I have long given over the fond illusion that anything good can come
> from governments, particularly large central governments. Pound was caught
> up in that illusion to a faretheewell, as H.L. Mencken was not, as Mark
> Twain was not, and as Whitman was (I guess) to some extent although not
> altogether; but we live post-Rothbard and concurrently with Hoppe, and we
> now know that all states must engross and enlarge and steal and rampage and
> kill until they achieve what it is in their nature to seek: the death of the
> society that gave them birth and permitted them to grow.
>
> I love Pound's poetry and especially his indomitable insistence that beauty
> and justice, damn it, SHOULD exist; but I now look elsewhere for anything
> approaching a solution to the social problem. Since it appears none exists,
> then it is back to tending one's own garden and, well, reading Pound, as
> once upon a time it was said, just before the end, that Byzantium still read
> Homer. Tom White
>
>> From: Richard Seddon <[log in to unmask]>
>> Reply-To: - Ezra Pound discussion list of the University of Maine
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:35:46 -0700
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Pound & Politics
>>
>> Tom:
>>
>> An excellent resource for experiencing the anti-Semitism of the early 20th
>> century is "The International Jew" published by the Dearborn Press.  Henry
>> Ford purchased the Dearborn Press as a newspaper organ for his views on what
>> was then called "The Jewish Question".  A typical strategy of those articles
>> was to separate the rich banker apostate type Jews from the Jewish race and
>> from observing Jews .
>>
>> Mussolini was a Socialist originally and Pound was an avid supporter of
>> Guild Socialism.  Pound's objection to Marx was that Marx wanted to control
>> the economy and society indirectly through control of capital whereas Pound
>> and the Social Credit types wanted to control the economy and society
>> directly through control of the money.
>>
>>
>> Rick Seddon
>> McIntosh, NM