Peter, I'm with you here, but let's get the right spin
on the ball. Tia admires her teacher, that's as it
should be, but, as you say, beside the point. It's not
a matter for the listminister since i imagine Tia's
has gotten the point by now. Lee criticized the
quality of the argument not of the person.
 
wayne
 
--- Peter Bi <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Tia Ballantine Berger:
>
> This mailing list is for Discussion on Ezra Pound,
> NOT for discussion on Lee
> Lady or Jonathan Morse.
>
> If you find any personal attack, you'd better to
> talk to the administrator of
> this mailing list.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Peter Bi
> http://www.card4you.com
>
> Tia Ballantine Berger wrote:
>
> > Hello Lee lady, and all:
> >
> > As a student in Professor Morse's graduate
> seminar, I am profoundly grateful
> > for the lively and well-informed atmosphere of all
> of our sessions.
> > Professor Morse has a wealth of information (about
> Pound, Whitman, and many,
> > many other poets as well) that he freely shares
> with a great deal of wit and
> > with careful attention to detail. His explications
> of the Cantos are
> > thorough and thrilling. During this seminar, Morse
> has provided us with a
> > rich contextual and multi-dimensional background
> that includes biographical,
> > historical, political, and philosophical
> information that allows us, as
> > students, access to a greater and certainly to a
> deeper understanding of the
> > poetry. This seminar has been a marvelous
> experience, and I am not saying
> > this to enhance my grade. I am not worried about
> grades--I concern myself
> > with knowledge.
> >
> > I consider Lee Lady's personal attack on Professor
> Morse, aired on a public
> > list, to be in poor taste and rather studiously
> childish.
> >
> > Tia Ballantine
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Everett Lee Lady <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 1:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: Getting things dead wrong
> >
> > > >Date:  Sun, 5 Dec 1999 02:16:13 -1000
> > > >From:  Wayne Pounds <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Subject:      Re: Getting things dead wrong
> > > >
> > > >From:  Jonathan Morse <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >Subject:      Re: Getting things all mixed up
> > > >             >SNIP<
> > > >No
> > > > >economist of any standing has ever paid the
> > > > slightest attention to Pound's
> > > > >ideas about money, for instance,
> > > >
> > > >Dead wrong. Read Giano Accame, _Ezra Pound
> > > >Economista_, 1995. Massimo Bacigalupo reviewed
> it for
> > > >Pai. (Accame a journalist whose field is
> economics and
> > > >cites reputable sources.) The review inspited
> y.t. to
> > > >read this book --hasn't anybody else read it?
> > >
> > > Since it's in Italian, it's probably not widely
> available
> > > in the United States.  Any sort of summary you
> could post
> > > here would be welcome.
> > >
> > > Even if it were in English, however, and more
> readily
> > > available in university libraries in the United
> States,
> > > most academics specializing in Pound would
> probably not
> > > bother to read it, because as we see by their
> comments
> > > in this list, they simply can't be bothered to
> learn
> > > the territory.
> > >
> > > I don't have a problem with people who claim
> that the
> > > only interesting thing about Pound is his poetry
> and
> > > literary criticism and that his life and
> non-literary
> > > interests can be ignored.  I do have a problem
> with people
> > > like Morse, who was actually teaching a graduate
> seminar
> > > in biography this semester focussing on Pound
> (as well
> > > as Walt Whitman), and who can't be bothered to
> learn the
> > > background that would enable them to understand
> Pound
> > > in context.
> > >
> > > I have a problem with people who look at the
> Agresti
> > > letters and only see the 5% which deals with
> Jews
> > > since that's the only part they can make any
> sense of
> > > because they simply don't know anything about
> any of the
> > > books and other things Pound really cared about.
> > >
> > > To even talk about "Pound's ideas about money"
> is to
> > > show that one has completely missed the point of
> who
> > > Pound was.  Pound was not a thinker, he was an
> enthusiast.
> > > He had some very acute perceptions, about
> literature at
> > > least, and he liked to look at old and obscure
> books
> > > and discover things which had been long
> forgotten, and
> > > he had a keen intuition (although not always a
> reliable
> > > one) in seeing connections that most people had
> not seen
> > > before.
> > >
> > > But you cannot discuss his works in the way one
> generally
> > > discusses the works of thinkers, in terms of the
> reasoning
> > > and evidence cited, because Pound does not
> provide a
> > > systematic intellectual exposition.  This was
> not the
> > > level Pound's mind worked on, and it's one
> reason so
> > > many of the ideas he championed (which were not
> "Pound's
> > > ideas" but the ideas of others) in the realm of
> government
> > > and economics turned out to be so foolish.
> (They were
> > > not so obviously foolish, though, in the context
> of the
> > > era in which Pound first learned of them.)
> > >
> > > So instead of a reasoned discussion of Pound's
> ideas in
> > > the fashion of in which one discusses the ideas
> of thinkers,
> > > we see here absolutely childish criticism, such
> as
> > > "The fact that Confucianism is worthless is
> proved by the
> > > way the Chinese have treated women."
> > >
> > > -----
> > > It is a question not of being happy or
> fulfilled, but of being on fire.
> > >  --- Anais Nin
> > >
> > > Lee Lady
> <Http://www2.Hawaii.Edu/~lady>
>
 
 
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