Cool!  That works for me Deron.

And thanks for the compliments!

-----Original Message-----
From: The Maine Hockey Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Deron Treadwell
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:02 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Maine did not choke!

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree!

You are a great fan, Clair, and very compassionate and supportive to
the team.

Best Regards,
Deron


--- The Chesleys <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Deron, you are picking your words to misconstrue what I said.   I did
> not say "...that the players and
> coaches easily accept that they lost..."
>
> And about "accepting defeat".  I think that they have done that.
> They
> were defeated.  It's good to accept what is clearly a fact.  And I'm
> sure that it wasn't easy especially for the players.   Although it is
> important for the coaching staff to think about how they could have
> played better, but only in the light of moving on and preparing for
> the
> future.
>
> No one will want to hear the questions that you suggest.  They have
> moved past that now.  They wouldn't want to entertain those thoughts
> now.  Have you never been on a team and lost an important game?
> Would
> you want to be asked those questions?
>
> Are you trying somehow to prove that you're right and I'm wrong?  We
> have different opinions.  You say Maine choked, I say that MSU picked
> up
> their game.  I shared my opinion mostly so that the people on this
> list
> might see that there are other ways of looking at things and they
> need
> not think that their team choked in their biggest game of the year.
> I
> have a great feeling of pride for this team even though they didn't
> win
> the gold and I wanted to share it.  I did not want to have an
> argument.
>
> I know that to take a great championship away from MSU shows a lack
> of
> class by saying that they only won because the other team choked.
> Even
> if I thought it I wouldn't say it.
>
> I know that Maine didn't choke and I hate trying to prove it.  Those
> guys played their hearts out.  This is not fun or interesting
> anymore.
> I am done with this discussion.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Maine Hockey Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Deron Treadwell
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:07 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Maine did not choke!
>
> Who am I to argue with the analysis of a college hockey expert like
> Barry Melrose?  ;-)
>
> (It should be also noted that I am also not any of the following
> college hockey experts:  Bob Norton, Cap Rader, Kathryn Tappen, Jen
> Menedez, Kevin Paul Dupont [though he did post a correction in the
> Globe recently due to an e-mail I sent him - everyone gets lucky I
> guess], and a host of others)
>
> I think you draw out the difference in your post.  You, Barry and
> perhaps the rest of the world think MSU was unquestionably superior.
> I
> don't.  They proved they were very clutch against Maine and BC, but
> they were actually dominated for parts of both games too (second
> period
> vs. BC specifically if I am not mistaken).  They "got it done" when
> it
> counted.  I think that just as easily could have (should have?) been
> Maine.
>
> For example, Maine was NOT the best team in 1999.  UNH actually had a
> superior team to Maine.  But Maine "got it done" where UNH did not.
> If
> the superior team wins all the time, there is a banner hanging in the
> Whittemore Center right now.  Maine had hot goaltending, hustle, and
> they won the tournament.  Doesn't make them the best team, just the
> one
> with the title. (No small deal.)  This is one of the things that
> makes
> this game great.
>
> Let's try something here.  Clair seems to think that the players and
> coaches easily accept that they lost to the best team in the country.
> But those of you who know players, why don't you ask them these
> questions in an anonymous fashion and post the results:
>
> 1.  Do you feel like you could have beaten Michigan State?
> 2.  Do you feel like you should have beaten Michigan State?
> 3.  When you saw Michigan State win the national title, did you
> think,
> "hey that really should have been us"?
>
> (Can we please exclude Teddy Purcell from the survey since I'm not
> sure
> he was actually "in the game" so he'd skew my survey).  Thanks.
>
> I'm not a UMaine player, and I also don't know anything about hockey
> either since I am not Barry Melrose et al.  However, while the
> players
> and coaches may call it different things, I am willing to bet they
> are
> not as willing to accept defeat as you suggest.
>
> In other words, THEY will feel like they should have gotten it done
> too.
>
> But, if they truly believe that they could not, nor should not have
> been able to win that game vs. MSU, then I will back off my comments
> because you can't choke if you lost to a superior team that had you
> beat before you hit the ice.
>
> -Deron
>
> --- The Chesleys <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > So if Merrimack was up 2-0 on Maine and Maine came back to win
> would
> > you
> > say that Merrimack choked?  (Merrimack who was 3-22-2 this year.)
> > Are
> > you defining "choke" as getting ahead and then loosing regardless
> of
> > the
> > relative strengths of the two teams?
> >
> > Barry Melrose and I both saw Maine get up on Michigan State because
> > they
> > caught them with their pants down.  Once MS picked up their game
> they
> > dominated.  They were better.  Barry agrees.  They didn't win
> because
> > Maine played poorly.  They won because they played great.  Barry
> > agrees
> > with that too.   I don't get why there is so much energy to blame
> > Maine
> > coaching and players when they loose and when they play a clearly
> > superior team.  Michigan played their same game against BC and
> > dominated.  Did anyone watch that game?  BC was a great team this
> > year.
> > They played a great game.  But they played a better team and they
> > know
> > it.  The Maine players and coaches also know that they played a
> > better
> > team.  No one on the Maine or BC teams is ashamed of their
> > tournament.
> > They are disappointed but they are not ashamed.  And I'm not
> ashamed
> > either.  Choking IS something to be ashamed of and to feel bad
> about.
> > Neither Maine nor BC choked.  I feel great about my team and their
> > season.  I'm proud of them that they played so well.  I'm
> > disappointed
> > too but I'm a lot more proud than disappointed.
> >
> > This isn't the Mighty Ducks you know.  There isn't usually a way to
> > beat
> > a superior team.  Don't take a great tournament and championship
> away
> > from Michigan State that they clearly deserve by saying that Maine
> > and/or BC choked.
> >
> > Clair '71
>