I agree with you Deron.  There are a LOT more variables other than who the
goalie is.

-----Original Message-----
From: The Maine Hockey Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Deron Treadwell
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:50 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The curse of Jimmy Howard

James.. I am not saying that you are blaming Jimmy, I just ran the
stats, facts be damned.  If you feel I am attacking you personally,
then I apologize because that is not where I am trying to put the
discussion.

My opinion is that I don't feel the team plays differently in front of
Howard, but that our offensive is tremendously inconsistent and I think
that will continue to be the case this year no matter who is in net.
My opinion is also that Tim Whitehead coaches a "defensive first" style
and that is more the problem than who is in net.  Some of that is based
on personnel, some is coaching.

On a personal note, I would encourage those with different views to
post them to the list for discussion.  Tallies of private e-mails
aren't very convincing or useful.

-Deron




--- james acheson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I AM NOT BLAMING JIMMY....
>
> I AM BLAMING the team for how they play in front of him.
>
> you all might be interested in to know that tehre are members of this
> very board who have emailed me privately (and because of that, I will
> not mention names) who do in fact blame Jimmy.
> there are other non-Maine fans who have noticed the exact same
> "curse"... that they like to play against JImmy becaues they know
> that they only need one goal and they are likely to win against
> Maine.  ( their words, not mine)
>
> and one more time, I would rather see a 7-5 win than a shutout where
> the winning team is not predetermined.
>
> Goalie stats be damned.
>
> "Chesley, Clair" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Thank you Deron! I knew that there had to more to this than goals
> scored
> vs. goalie! I figured that there must have been some mysticism
> involved
> with this curse! :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Maine Hockey Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Deron Treadwell
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:18 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: The curse of Jimmy Howard
>
> In 2003 Frank had 5 more wins than Jimmy, and 4 of those were earned
> against
> the likes of Dartmouth, Vermont, Merrimack and Sacred Heart over
> Christmas
> when Jimmy was hurt/on the junior team.
>
> The "Frank Doyle offensive machine" also managed to lose to Notre
> Dame 4-2
> and to Ohio State 1-0 during that same stretch. Jimmy Howard wasn't
> even on
> the team and they didn't pop in the goals. This speaks to a basic
> level of
> inconsistency which is more the problem than some mystical Jimmy
> Howard
> curse on the offense.
>
> Jimmy stepped out of the rotation and into a solo role in the NCAA's.
> As
> you correctly point out, Maine came back against Harvard with Frank
> in net,
> but Jimmy played Wisconsin, BC and Denver, which is much more
> difficult
> competition than the competition Frank played during Jimmy's absense.
> Jimmy
> won 2 of those games, lost 1 and no decision in the Harvard game.
>
> I ran my own numbers. Maine scored 2.27 gpg with Jimmy and 3.91 with
> Frank,
> which is similar to what you were saying. However, the numbers bear
> out
> that Jimmy played more difficult competition. The average number of
> wins a
> team Jimmy faced was 17.455, while Frank's competition averaged
> 16.217 wins.
>
> As is so often the case with stats, they are just food for banter.
> Yeah,
> the team scored more goals for Frank, but it was against lesser
> competition.
>
> I think I feel the need to defend Jimmy Howard constantly because I
> don't
> think you can ask for anymore from a guy who set the NCAA
> single-season
> Goals Against Average record last year with a 1.19 GAA. I know you
> constantly say that you are not blaming him, but I just can't help
> defending
> the guy. He is doing his job and Matt Lundin also looks very
> promising.
>
> -Deron
>
>
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