While it is true that Pound received a lot of Nietzsche second-hand, he got
it from A.R. Orage, the editor of The New Age and one of the key figures
introducing Nietzsche to the English starting about 1908. Pound had a lot of
contact with Orage during the period 1909-1920 (in person) and then in the
'30s. Most of The New Age is on-line at the Modernist Journals Project
headed by Robert Scholes at Brown and it is text-searchable.

Orage had a great influence on Pound, particularly in economics, and Pound
heard a lot about Nietzsche from him.  But I believe Pound's deepest
sympathies lie with 18th century political writers.

Cheers,

Tim Redman

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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:59 PM
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Subject: Re: Wrath aroused

Dear Emmett,
    My guess is that Pound was not well read in Nietzsche's work, and his
information about the philosopher was largely second-hand with a bit of
resentment thrown in for the tremendous influence N had on twentieth century
writers. Mencken could have set him straight.  Furthermore, when Pound was
wrong he was wrong big time. N and P might have shared enthusiasm for the
wonderful culinary expertise of the Tuscans.

Charles

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>From: Emmett Stinson <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Wrath aroused
>Date: Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 9:40 AM
>

> Dear Charles:
>
> An interesting quotation, but, if you recall your
> "Jefferson And/Or Mussolini" Pound also referred to
> Nietzsche as an "ill-balanced hyserical teuto-pollak."
> Take it for what you will.
>
> Best,
>
> Emmett
>
>
> --- charles moyer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Dear Tom and All,
>>     May I add two quotations to this present fray of
>> political reality vs.
>> political theory to which Old Ez could add buckets
>> full?
>>     First, from Nietzsche, that German/Polish thorn
>> in the side of Leo
>> Strauss and his sheepishly grinning band of
>> neo-Jacobin "intellectuals" now
>> riding the wake soon to reach their own I hope-
>>
>> "The state is a clever institution for protecting
>> individuals from one
>> another; if one goes too far in ennobling it, the
>> individual is ultimately
>> weakened by it, even dissolved - and thus the
>> original purpose of the state
>> is most thoroughly thwarted."
>>
>>     I have thought of how this might look printed on
>> a sign and held up in
>> one of those "free speech zones" located far from
>> the selected route to the
>> community College or the presidentially graced
>> kindergarten du jour but
>> decided that it would be "thoroughly thwarted". Come
>> to think of it maybe
>> that's all it should say!
>>     My second selection is from our own homegrown
>> boy, Tommy Paine, and it
>> is the best and most succinct summary of U.S.
>> foreign policy, past, present,
>> and future, that I have read to date-
>>
>> "It is with a pious fraud as with a bad action; it
>> begets a calamitous
>> necessity of going on."
>>
>> This policy of course adapts to both embedded
>> parties, both pious and bad,
>> whose rhetoric has dumbdowned to such lows as to
>> "stay and finish the job"
>> in which case I would willingly vote for an
>> undertaker if one were running.
>>
>> Charles (thoroughly thwarted) Moyer
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> >From: Tom White <[log in to unmask]>
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >Subject: Wrath aroused
>> >Date: Wed, Jan 21, 2004, 7:40 PM
>> >
>>
>> > Dear All:
>> > I see I have triggered some unhappiness with my
>> post that implied support
>> > for anti-govt. libertarian ideas. I had been
>> staying off the list to save
>> > breath and energy, and have to return to my
>> silent-mouse trip forthwith, but
>> > in all fairness to my critics let me quote Mencken
>> to his critics (not that
>> > I would elevate myself to his status): 'Dear Sir
>> (or Madam): You may be
>> > right." And one last word: If you like what we've
>> got going now, by all
>> > means hang in there with the "supporters of the
>> present system." It's a
>> > great deal healthier than any other posture. Tom
>> (silent) White
>
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