Yeah, so I hear. Yuk.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Romano" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Imagism and Joyce


> Don't fret. It's overrated.
>
> At 06:48 PM 3/13/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >Necrophilia? What necrophilia? Jeez, we miss so much here in the
hinterlands
> >of Maine...
> >
> >Kate
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "bob scheetz" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:38 AM
> >Subject: Re: Imagism and Joyce
> >
> >
> > > Richard Seddon writes:
> > > > With the two set as discussion points, e. e. cummings seems the more
> > > > mainline modern to me.  His poetry, even that of the country,  seems
> > > urban.
> > > > Frost seems throw-back pastoral; almost Georgian.  Much of
> > >
> > > richard,   ...probably yer right, ...but i've always used much of
frost
> >for
> > > heidegger..."i cannot rub the strangeness from my eyes,"...the
> >necrophilia,
> > > nso on.
> > >
> > > bob
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Richard Seddon <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:20 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Imagism and Joyce
> > >
> > >
> > > > Kate:
> > > >
> > > > With the two set as discussion points, e. e. cummings seems the more
> > > > mainline modern to me.  His poetry, even that of the country,  seems
> > > urban.
> > > > Frost seems throw-back pastoral; almost Georgian.  Much of Frost's
> > > Imagery,
> > > > like some of H.D., is of the countryside.  Of course as someone has
said
> > > the
> > > > Pastoral is about the primitive urges of the Urban so maybe Frost is
> > > > primitive modern?  :>)  In all seriousness I would suppose that a
paper
> > > > could be developed along the lines of Frost detailing, through
> > > Pastoralism,
> > > > a rejection of the decayed modern Urb.  (Maybe it has already been
done)
> > > > Pound, who relished the Urb, would not probably agree but maybe
Eliot
> > > would.
> > > >
> > > > Marianne Moore's images (note: little "i")  of animals, she is an
> > > > objectivist like Robert Creeley not a strict Imagist, might be
> >profitable.
> > > > You might also look at the "Amygism" of Amy Lowell, what Pound
thought
> > > > Imagism gone astray,  in order to see vitiation of the idea.
> > > >
> > > > Are you interested in Imagism or Vorticism?  For an excellent
discussion
> > > of
> > > > the Ideogramic method, which necessarily has a lot of good info on
> > > Imagism,
> > > > see,  _Ideogram, History of a Poetic Method_ by Laszlo K. Gefin.
> >Pound's
> > > > work on the Fenolosa papers would probably be of interest also.
> > > >
> > > > Be sure to keep your big "I" Images seperate from your little "i"
> >images.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think the ex-pat idea would work well.  William Carlos
Williams
> > > and
> > > > Richard Aldington would be hard to work into such a scheme.
> > > >
> > > > Rick Seddon
> > > > McIntosh, NM, USA
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Kate Cone" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 5:48 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Imagism and Joyce
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Tim:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been reading C's poetry and bio's for over 30 years. In fact,
as
> >a
> > > > > result of my research and inquiries to Jay Parini at Middlebury, a
> >Frost
> > > > > scholar and biographer, I've been asked to write the Cummings
article
> > > for
> > > > > the Oxford Encyclopedia of American Literature, which Parini is
> >editing.
> > > > > (wheeee!!!)
> > > > >
> > > > > Frost I knew as all American students do -- the anthologized
poems. I
> > > > loved
> > > > > the imagery, but didn't "get" how deep they were then. But one
little
> > > poem
> > > > > hit me a different way:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Secret Sits
> > > > >
> > > > > We dance 'round a ring and suppose.
> > > > > The secret sits in the middle and knows.
> > > > >
> > > > > Frost
> > > > >
> > > > > ****
> > > > >
> > > > > seeker of truth
> > > > >
> > > > > follow no path
> > > > > all paths lead where
> > > > >
> > > > > truth is here
> > > > >
> > > > > Cummings
> > > > >
> > > > > ****
> > > > >
> > > > > At first I thought of this type of poem as having a Zen influence,
but
> > > on
> > > > > further investigation I learned that both C and F were
tremendously
> > > > > influenced by Emerson, whose essay "Circles" pretty much pegs the
> >notion
> > > > of
> > > > > coming back: "I keep and pass and turn again." (Brahma).
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, the nature poetry of C and F are the most alike in that
> >regard.
> > > > > Where Pound comes in: he was among some other influential poets
met in
> > > > > England and was instrumental in getting Frost's first two books
> > > > > well-reviewed in England, essentially "making" Frost the first and
> > > perhaps
> > > > > only best-selling American poet of the 20th century. As a young
poet
> >at
> > > > > Harvard, Cummings' notebooks show a keen interest in being part of
the
> > > > > imagist movement.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess what I'm asking for are any thoughts at all about Pound's
> > > > influence
> > > > > and/or dealings with either Frost or Cummings. And with regard to
Mr.
> > > > > Savage's comment about Frost's poor treatment of Pound -- if you
could
> > > > > elaborate further on that/those incident/s, it would give me more
> > > > insight --
> > > > > was Frost abandoning a poet who helped  him in order to "lay low"
from
> > > > > controversy? This will further my theory that Frost "invented"
himself
> > > as
> > > > a
> > > > > Yankee farmer poet and didn't want to rock any boat by being
involved
> > > > > (publicly) in the politics of the day. Cummings was much more "in
your
> > > > > face."
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Kate
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Tim Romano" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 6:15 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Imagism and Joyce
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Kate,
> > > > > > What do you think their work has in common? I see no similarity,
> > > though
> > > > I
> > > > > > must admit that I don't know cummings's work inside and out.
> > > > > > Tim Romano
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kate Cone wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >I am writing my masters thesis on how E.E. Cummings and Robert
> > > Frost's
> > > > > > >poetry are related.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>