gavin writes:
>...The West is still
>patriarchal, and might I add, Big Time...
 
sorry gavin,
 but, no, you mightn't.
 
... bourgeois liberal gender ideology is probably
second only to its race ideology for preposterousness.
 
first of all, as you say, in social sciences
the consideration is always only
that very circumscribed "marginal effect":
all historical and biological forms and stages
of social evolution are always simultaneously present
only in different relative strengths.
so, albeit things seem to be changing,
it is the case that historical bourgeois society
was/is clearly matriarchal.
... so that for yer cultural anthropologist & co,
ep's "old-bitch (gone in the teeth etc)"
is no mere metafor  but empirically sound observation.
 
and surely this (bourgeois & liberal = matriarchal)
is as important for understanding ep
as that  medieval and fascist is patriarchal, eh?
 
bob
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Gavin <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 12:43 PM
Subject: Sua Stultitia
 
 
>Perhaps you are oversimplifying something complex. Something about which
>you are by admission, almost wholly ignorant. As far as Pound's ideal
>construction I think it no worse (in terms of structure as opposed to
>content) than yours.
>
>But if I read one more comment about the Patriarchy of Confucianism v.
>The Superiority of Western Social Structure with Particular Emphasis on
>Bible Thumping--I think I shall become violently ill. The West is still
>patriarchal, and might I add, Big Time--it's just that now it pretends
>it isn't. It simply gives lie to the notion that religion or any kind of
>specific code is necessary to perpetuate patriarchal thought and
>behavior.
>
>GAVIN