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Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 12:04:07 -0400
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I want to pipe in as an author, and say I agree with all of this, and
especially to underscore Vicki's point about how much changes between the
Advance Reader's Copy and the final book. Plotwise and character-wise,
they're the same, but I definitely made enough small and significant
changes that I'd prefer to be judged on the final book than on the ARC.
That said, yes, they definitely are publicly out and about, and while an
author's dream is to have readers buy multiple copies of our books and hand
them out on street corners, I think most of us are also okay with ARCs
getting exchanged between passionate readers. Also, as a children's book
author, I am definitely okay with advance copies going to classrooms that
could not otherwise afford them.

Julie Falatko

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Andrea DeBiase <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Thank you Vicky! That sounds like it is completely OK (maybe even
> encouraged) to freely share (not catalog or sell) as long as people know
> exactly what it is.
>
>
>
> On 5/4/2018 11:37 AM, Vicky Smith wrote:
>
>> Hi all--
>>
>> This has been an enjoyable conversation. I'd like to pick out what Andrea
>> said: "It seems a shame to simply place them in a recycle bin, but I do
>> understand that the author might not want it out there...but it already is
>> out there!?" It IS out there, and it's being used as a publicity tool.
>> While it can't be treated as a finished copy, it has been judged close to
>> finished enough to release from the publisher's control. Unless you've
>> signed an NDA on an embargoed title, there is no legal reason to keep it
>> secret. Publishers often like hearing that galleys are being spread around
>> (informally, without exchange of money)--that often translates to more
>> sales.
>>
>> With regard to terminology, ARC stands for "Advanced Reader Copy" and
>> refers to any book shipped for publicity purpose before publication. Some
>> publishers simply send finished copies early to review outlets and people
>> they hope will spread buzz. Others who have longer timelines and deeper
>> pockets do limited print runs from not-quite-final copy in order to get
>> them to reviewers and influencers as early as possible; these are the ones
>> stamped "Uncorrected" along with warnings to check quotations, etc.,
>> against the finished book.
>>
>> I subscribe to ME-LIBS from my personal account, so my work info isn't in
>> my sig. file. For people who don't know me, I am the editor of the
>> children's section of Kirkus Reviews, so have had MANY conversations with
>> publishers about ARCs, galleys, etc., and their disposition.
>>
>> Best,
>> Vicky
>>
>> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Michelle Fagan <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I make mine into book art, my most recent review books were made into
>>> hedgehogs! They are the gift that keeps giving.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Andrea DeBiase <
>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it would be a great idea for the Maine State Library or Maine
>>>> Library Association to make a strong recommendation on this topic.
>>>>
>>>> Results:
>>>>
>>>> Overwhelming consensus *NOT TO CATALOG.*..got that.
>>>>
>>>> *M**ost would not sell in a book sale*...but many place them in a free
>>>> bin...or give away as prizes.
>>>>
>>>> Should they be allowed for Staff only? It seems a shame to simply place
>>>> them in a recycle bin, but I do understand that the author might not
>>>> want
>>>> it out there...but it already is out there!? Someone had a good
>>>> question:
>>>> Is an Uncorrected Proof the same as ARC - Advanced Reader's Copy?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks you for your feedback. I will not catalog them and will not sell
>>>> them at t=our book sale. I might set them out with a sign that states
>>>> exactly what the are, unless that is considered unacceptable. I like
>>>> this
>>>> by Vicki :/putting them in an "informal//citizen-reviewer collection or
>>>> a
>>>> giveaway bin"/
>>>>
>>>> Andrea
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/4/2018 10:15 AM, Cathrina Skov wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We don't even put them in a giveaway bin.  I don't believe these are
>>>>> meant for the public's eyes, so putting them out there in any way is a
>>>>> disservice to the author.  We toss them when we get them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cathrina Skov
>>>>> Waldoboro Public Library
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Maine Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>>>> ]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Vicky Smith
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 8:07 AM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MELIBS-L] Fwd: [MELIBS-L] Uncorrected Proofs
>>>>>
>>>>> Weighing in as a person who works with uncorrected proofs all the time,
>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>
>>>> can tell you that Deb is absolutely right: Often there are significant
>>>>> changes made to a book beyond simply correcting typos and misspellings
>>>>> after a galley has been printed, and representing an uncorrected proof
>>>>>
>>>> as
>>>
>>>> equivalent to the finished book is doing a disservice to both the book
>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>
>>>> your readers. There is a powerful argument to be made for cataloging
>>>>> uncorrected proofs as such in a dedicated archive, but unless that is
>>>>>
>>>> part
>>>
>>>> of your library's mission, I strongly recommend putting any galleys or
>>>>> other pre-publication printings that come your way into an informal
>>>>> citizen-reviewer collection or a giveaway bin, as Nancy and Pamela
>>>>> suggest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Vicky
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 7:51 AM, Pamela Dunning <
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Wiscasset Public leaves them in the "give-away" bin with the old
>>>>>> magazines, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Maine Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>>>>> DU
>>>>>>
>>>>> ]
>>>
>>>> On Behalf Of Nancy Grant
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 7:43 PM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: [MELIBS-L] Fwd: [MELIBS-L] Uncorrected Proofs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with NOT putting them in the card catalog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you could have a special "reviewers shelf", allow checkouts using
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>
>>>> old checkout cards, and let patrons give you a review of the book
>>>>>>
>>>>> and/or
>>>
>>>> vote for "yes, buy" or "not interested".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Might put up a warning that is these are pre-pub books and will have
>>>>>> spelling/punctuation mistakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nancy B. Grant
>>>>>> Maine Balsam Libraries Consortium President Retired LMS, NBCT
>>>>>> Dover-Foxcroft, Maine
>>>>>> 207-564-3098
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Andrea DeBiase <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, May 3, 2018 at 4:21 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [MELIBS-L] Uncorrected Proofs
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you catalog a book that was an "Uncorrected Proof"? Why or why
>>>>>>
>>>>> not?
>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrea
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Andrea DeBiase
>>>>>> Library Director
>>>>>> Carrabassett Valley Public Library
>>>>>> 3209 Carrabassett Dr #3
>>>>>> Carrabassett Valley   ME  04947
>>>>>> PHONE: 207-237-3535
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>> Andrea DeBiase
>>>> Library Director
>>>> Carrabassett Valley Public Library
>>>> 3209 Carrabassett Dr #3
>>>> Carrabassett Valley   ME  04947
>>>> PHONE: 207-237-3535
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michelle Fagan
>>> Thompson Free Library
>>> Dover-Foxcroft
>>> 207-564-3350
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> --
> Andrea DeBiase
> Library Director
> Carrabassett Valley Public Library
> 3209 Carrabassett Dr #3
> Carrabassett Valley   ME  04947
> PHONE: 207-237-3535
>

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