Well Jim, I agree with you. As usual. Especially in the case where there
is a discussion between officials after a call. Come on guys, even NHL
officials are influenced by fans. I've never reffed hockey at the D-1
level but I have reffed youth hockey, soccer, and softball. Sometimes
you're pretty sure that you saw something a particular way but not
totally positive because of your particular viewing angle. But when 90%
of the fans saw something and have a strong reaction (especially
knowledgeable fans, like at the Alfond) you can bet that the officials
are paying attention. After all, fans don't intentionally make up
things to yell about to influence the calling of a game. The refs know
this. This is especially true when a visiting player is bending the
rules and is making cheap shots. This can help the ref to pay a little
more attention to that particular player. Also, the booth replay
officials will likely be somewhat influenced by crowd reaction in
determining whether to review a goal. Or maybe when a player dives and
gets the call and the ref is thinking about whether it was actually more
of a dive. Well when a hundred fans start yelling "DIVE" that ref will
be watching that player a little more carefully the next time.
Fans do have influence, not because they are one-sided but because they
are closely watching the game and are knowledgeable about hockey and the
rules. More than anything the refs want to get it right and factor in
all the information available to them. It's pretty rare for a ref to
actually alter a call but I have seen it and I have suspected that fan
reaction did have some influence. But generally fan influence is going
to be more subtle.
The important thing though is that the players hear and appreciate our
support. Yelling is a good thing! Don't leave it up to the student
section!
GO BLUE!!!
Clair '71
PS: I thought that "asinine" was over the top and disrespectful to one
of the most valuable and knowledgeable contributors to this list.
-----Original Message-----
From: The Maine Hockey Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of james acheson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:14 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: whos' out front and yelling at the ALfond
you can believe what you want, but when asinine is
used as an adective, I feel no need to back up what I
said.
--- john loftus <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> John, I couldn't agree with you more.
> Up Here In Black Bear
> Hockey Country -30-
>
>
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:34:55 -0500From:
> [log in to unmask]: Re: whos' out front and
> yelling at the ALfondTo: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2007 11:05:31 A.M. Eastern
> Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> referees have also altered calls based on what
> wasyelled from the stands... more often than not it
> is alinesman who reports something to the ref after
> a fanyells what he saw, that the linesman also saw
> but theref did not... when the whole arena hears the
> fan yellto the linesman that he saw the same thing
> that thelinesman saw, the linesman can more
> comfortably goreport it to the ref.
>
> I just can't believe James actually believes what he
> types sometimes. With all due respect, this has to
> be one of the most asinine things I've read on this
> board. Where do you get your info?? Any official who
> "alters" a call based on what is yelled from the
> stands will not get another assignment.
>
> I hope James is just encouraging fans to be
> exuberant and sporting.
>
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