it might also have been a situation where House could
not have come out on top by stating that she was
asking for it, even if she had been LITERALLY asking
for it... he would be in deeper doo doo stating such a
thing.  (no, I am not blaming the victim here... but I
posed the hypothetical before, what if they had been
dirty dancing earler and she grabbed at him and then
he decided that she was not good enough and blew her
off... and while drunk, on the way out, he grabbed. 
According to Maine law, this would not have been
illegal, and maybe that was why charges were dropped.

also, I do not think that it would have stood up in
court, there is a clause in the law that would have
made his actions illegal ONLY if he did it for sexual
gratification...  This would be really hard to prove. 
And since he did it on the way out the door,
fleetingly, nobody would have ever thought that it was
done for sexual gratification, but rather  to be rude
and boorish.

what is really too bad though is that the only hockey
discussion we have here has nothing to do with hockey.

does anyone happen to know if UMass is sold out for
Saturday??? or if it likely to sell out?



--- Adam Parker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> The BDN got the Hamilton situation completely wrong.
>  But, the paper broke
> the House situation - and even though charges were
> dropped, I believe he
> admitted to doing something completely stupid (a
> sideways admission of
> guilt).  So, maybe they are 50/50 right now.
> 
> In the end - maybe there's a greater question.  We
> keep having students who
> put themselves into situations like this.  Whether
> House groped, Payson
> punched or Hamilton did whatever, they were still in
> questionable
> situations.  How frequently is this going to happen?
>  Is it the college
> environment that's causing it?  Are we recruiting
> people with poor character
> to begin with? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Maine Hockey Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of james acheson
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:48 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Payson arrested for assault ...
> 
> WHile my knee jerk reaction is that this looks
> bad... 
> 
> PLEASE lets all remember that police reports only
> have enough information
> written to make the arrest... and that is what was
> reported in the BDN...
> same paper that got the Hamilton incident so screwed
> up that it was
> laughable.
> 
> the BDN is not going to report anything but the
> police report and the police
> report will not have anything in it except enough
> allegations and admissions
> to make an arrest.
> so we have a kid with a broken bone who stated that
> Payson did it.
> we have no police witnesses so we need a serious
> injury AND an admission by Payson.   (the admission
> was that he was there and the he contacted the kid;s
> head... NOT THAT HE IS
> GUILTY OF AGGRAVATED ASSAULT)
> 
> the police got their admission and so they made the
> arrest.
> there might have been extenuating circumstances or
> self defense.... neither
> of which even belong in a police report, so we are
> not going to hear about
> either one until there is a trial.... at the
> arraignment, all we will hear
> is the injury plus the admission.
> 
> judge if you want/must... but please understand that
> you are judging based
> on a police report
> --- Nonni Daly <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > I agree, Deron.  But, no one has a corner on being
> stupid, which this 
> > certainly is, and violent as well.  Testosterone
> and alcohol -- such a 
> > lovely mix.  As is estrogen and alcohol, as you
> can find by setting up 
> > your own Facebook account and seeing the pride
> with which today's 
> > "young adults" post stupid photos of themselves. 
> Shame isn't a part 
> > of the equation any more and it should be ...
> okay, will get off my 
> > "much older adult" soapbox by adding an old maxim
> of which my dear 
> > aunt reminded me and I never forgot it: "Fool's
> names and fool's faces 
> > are often seen in public places" ... :) Nonni 
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Don't want to think I could go to another life
> where there are no 
> > horses!
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Deron Treadwell 
> >   To: [log in to unmask] 
> >   Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:14 AM
> >   Subject: Re: Payson arrested for assault ...
> > 
> > 
> >   Well, I've done plenty of things wrong in my
> life, but I never did 
> > walk across a room at 2:30 in the morning (on a
> Monday morning 
> > actually) and punch a guy in his eye socket so
> hard that it broke his 
> > eye socket possibly requiring surgery.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   Let me ask this - How much different is this
> situation to Tanner 
> > House?  At first blush it seems much worse because
> it is violent as 
> > well as stupid (as opposed to just stupid), but if
> anyone else will 
> > recall Tanner House never actually had charges
> pressed and the whole 
> > thing "went away".  This also hindered Tanner's
> development.  Right 
> > now Sweetland and House look like two of our more
> promising young 
> > players.  How good would be be if he hadn't had
> this incident?
> > 
> > 
> >   In this case, Payson was arrested and admitted
> (to some extent and 
> > according to the media) that he did put his hands
> (my words) on this 
> > guy, who also has obvious, documented injuries.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   Certainly no good for Payson, the team or the
> university any way you 
> > slice it.
> > 
> >   It is too bad to have this happen just when the
> team was starting to 
> > play better.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   On 1/30/08, Nonni Daly <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote: 
> >    
> >
>
http://bangornews.com/news/t/maineblackbears.aspx?articleid=159527&zoneid=22
> 5
> > 
> >     More fodder for those who "never did a wrong
> thing" in their lives 
> > ... have at it!
> >     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >     Don't want to think I could go to another life
> where there are no 
> > horses!
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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