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Thank you, Tim, you have read me right.
Charles

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>From: Tim Romano <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Refuge and Vomitorium
>Date: Thu, Mar 21, 2002, 4:52 AM
>

> Dan,
> For Chas. to have pointed out, however sardonically, that NPR is airing the
> Yiddish Radio Project
> http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/yiddish/index.html  at this juncture in the
> Israel-Palestine crisis (when attention should be focused on the history of
> that bloody conflict and its resolution) is not evidence of
> "Jew-hating".  Ariel Sharon  is on the air at this time and he is no comedian.
> Tim Romano
>
>
>
> At 12:57 PM 3/20/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>Most of y'all will recognize that, not surprisingly, the Pound list
>>has become the refuge and vomitorium of the Jew-hating dregs
>>of academia.
>>==Dan
>>
>>At 08:04 AM 03/20/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>>>Don't worry, Dan, the cure for all our liberal doubts is just around the
>>>corner. We're about to get "10", yes, "10" weeks of old Yiddish "sti(u:)k"
>>>theatre recordings on NPR. OI! So I'm never goingk to laugh zo hard in all
>>>my life?
>>>
>>>----------
>>> >From: Daniel Pearlman <[log in to unmask]>
>>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>>> >Subject: Re: internet petition
>>> >Date: Tue, Mar 19, 2002, 11:29 PM
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Carroll and Sarab make very nice twins, don't they?
>>> > Each equally objective and balanced in their totally
>>> > unbiased readings of history?
>>> > ==Dan
>>> >
>>> > At 10:00 PM 03/19/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>>> >>Sarab Nihal Singh wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I would prefer to go to the root cause of this chronic problem
>>>mentioned in
>>> >> > Bob's email and sign a petition against Prophet Mohamed for his war
>>>crimes
>>> >> > against humanity. He has caused the most ideological and ethnic
>>> >> cleansing in
>>> >> > known history. The psychotic freaks (Aurangzeb, Ghazni, et al) in his
>>> >> > tradition have done worst damage than Israel or US can do in all of
>>>Islam's
>>> >> > pathetic, enslaved and oppressive colonies.
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>I did not respond to Bob's email because at least once before on this
>>> >>list he has confused Jews witrh Zionists -- and that is unacceptable for
>>> >>several reasons. First, though of secondary concern, is that a group of
>>> >>Pound lovers (which I assume most of us are) should be quite careful
>>> >>around the subject of anti-semitism But of greater, and more politically
>>> >>relevant concern, is that the chief, perhaps the _only_ serious weapon
>>> >>in the hands of criminal Zionism (the phrase is really, now, redundant)
>>> >>is precisely the identification of anti-zionism with anti-semitism.
>>> >>Without this protection, Israel would stand revealed clearly to all for
>>> >>what it is and has been -- a criminal state, an ally of tyrannical and
>>> >>racist regimes around the world (e.g., it was, next to the United
>>> >>States, the warmest friend of apartheid South Africa, and it was the
>>> >>conduit for a good deal of U.S. aid to the murderous thugs known as
>>> >>Contras in Nicaragua).
>>> >>
>>> >>Israel's very existence is a crime, and the bloodshed now going on in
>>> >>Palestine is _wholly_ the fault of the Israeli state. Israeli terrorism
>>> >>(the state was born in terrorism and has been a perpetrator of terrorism
>>> >>fever since) is not the only but it is a major element in the conditions
>>> >>that have given Al Quaida terrorists the popular support (or illusion of
>>> >>popular support) that any terrorist organization needs, to maintain its
>>> >>morale if for no other reason: men who could have relatively peaceful
>>> >>and prosperous lives do not lightly throw away those lives as did the
>>> >>perpetrators of 9/11.
>>> >>
>>> >>As for Islam and Muhamed. The post I am responding to is ridiculous, but
>>> >>I'll just focus on a couple of points here.
>>> >>
>>> >>First of all, one might say that Islam was virtually the inventor of
>>> >>religious tolerance, and for a thousand years while Jews were being
>>> >>persecuted in Europe the Islamic countries provided a place of refuge
>>> >>not only for Jews but for "hetetical" Christians. Most of whatever
>>> >>culture medieval Europe possessed they owed to the Arabs and Islamic
>>> >>culture. (Arabic numbers came from India, but it was the Arabs who
>>> >>introduced them to europe.)
>>> >>
>>> >>Secondly, for 50 years the United States has pursued an unrelenting
>>> >>savagery (often using "fundamentalist Muslims as its tool) against every
>>> >>democratic or secular movement in the Middle East and South Asia. It was
>>> >>the U.S. that destroyed Iran's best hope for democracy, Mossedegh. It
>>> >>was the U.S., under Carter, that deliberately interfered in Afghanistan
>>> >>for no other reason that to provoke Soviet interference, and it was the
>>> >>U.S. that was responsible for the virtual wiping out of all secular or
>>> >>democratic forces in Afghanistan.
>>> >>
>>> >>And it is the U.S. and Israel that have been the unrelenting foes of any
>>> >>secular left forces among the Palestinians and have deliberately and
>>> >>with consciously bloody intent encouraged the flourishing of religious
>>> >>fanaticism among the Palestinians.
>>> >>
>>> >>Freedom for the Palestinians will not by itself bring peace to the
>>> >>middle east, but nothing else will either until the rogue state of
>>> >>Israel is brought under control.
>>> >>
>>> >>Carrol Cox
>>> >
>>> > Dan Pearlman's home page:
>>> > http://pages.zdnet.com/danpearl/danpearlman/
>>> >
>>> > My new fiction collection, THE BEST-KNOWN MAN IN THE WORLD AND OTHER
>>> > MISFITS, may be ordered online at http://www.aardwolfpress.com/
>>> > "Perfectly-crafted gems": Jack Dann, Nebula & World Fantasy Award winner
>>> >
>>> > Director, Council for the Literature of the Fantastic:
>>> > http://www.uri.edu/artsci/english/clf/
>>> >
>>> > OFFICE:
>>> > Department of English
>>> > University of Rhode Island
>>> > Kingston, RI 02881
>>> > Tel.: 401 874-4659
>>> > Fax: (253) 681-8518
>>> > email: [log in to unmask]
>>
>>Dan Pearlman's home page:
>>http://pages.zdnet.com/danpearl/danpearlman/
>>
>>My new fiction collection, THE BEST-KNOWN MAN IN THE WORLD AND OTHER
>>MISFITS, may be ordered online at http://www.aardwolfpress.com/
>>"Perfectly-crafted gems": Jack Dann, Nebula & World Fantasy Award winner
>>
>>Director, Council for the Literature of the Fantastic:
>>http://www.uri.edu/artsci/english/clf/
>>
>>OFFICE:
>>Department of English
>>University of Rhode Island
>>Kingston, RI 02881
>>Tel.: 401 874-4659
>>Fax: (253) 681-8518
>>email: [log in to unmask]

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