>From: charles moyer <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: - Ezra Pound discussion list of the University of Maine
>    <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Take atheism for granted?
>Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:24:09 -0800
>
>----------
> >From: Jack Savage <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Take atheism for granted?
> >Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2002, 8:12 AM
> >
>
> >>From: charles moyer <[log in to unmask]>
> >>Reply-To: - Ezra Pound discussion list of the University of Maine
> >>    <[log in to unmask]>
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: Take atheism for granted?
> >>Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:22:37 -0800
> >>
> >>Perhaps I am being naive myself, but I thought it more often the
>practice
> >>of
> >>reappraising  uncertainty after a solid course in the divine.
> >>     I'd like a second opinion on the site. BTW Ez's quotes are in there
> >>and
> >>Hitler's too.
> >>
> >>----------
> >> >From: Jesse Huisken <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >> >Subject: Re: Take atheism for granted?
> >> >Date: Thu, Mar 21, 2002, 2:10 PM
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I would absolutely love to drop this subject, but incase there was
>some
> >> > misunderstanding I would not like to advance a pogrom against
>believers.
> >> > My email  suggested that we question our own beliefs, and engage with
> >> > some sort of intellectual restlessness. It was this sense of
>experiment
> >> > that allowed Pound to broaden the rang of spiritual figures with
>which
> >> > to populate the Cantos. One can return reapraise the divine after one
> >> > has taken a solid course in uncertainty. The web site below seemed to
>me
> >> > to be nothing if not naive.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thursday, March 21, 2002, at 06:07 PM, charles moyer wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> James, Dan and all,
> >> >>     I think you may want to reassess your opinion of atheists if you
> >> >> take
> >> >> some time to examine this site:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.positiveatheism.org/index.shtml
> >> >>
> >> >> But see if you can find among these atheists any who would wish to
> >> >> support
> >> >> a pogrom against the "believers", an argument no doubt but more
>often
> >> >> than
> >> >> not a defensive one. But I think you may be surprised to see in
>whose
> >> >> company you will find yourself.
> >> >>     And Dan, I think Hitler was a Roman Catholic, granted not a very
> >> >> good
> >> >> one, but it was the Catholic party's vote which put him and the
>Nazis
> >>in
> >> >> power in the Reichstag in 1933.
> >> >>     How much rarer and precious does it make that 1%?
> >> >>
> >> >> Charles
> >> >>
> >> >> ----------
> >> >>> From: Stoner James <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> >>> Subject: Re: Take atheism for granted.
> >> >>> Date: Thu, Mar 21, 2002, 11:29 AM
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Dan:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You said:  Doesn't it frighten you that about 99% of this planet's
> >> >>> denizens are (generally) mindless adherents of one formal religious
> >> >>> sect
> >> >>> or another?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm not certain why such a thing should frighten me (us.)  As an
> >> >>> atheist, you are also closed off to the possibility of a theistic
> >> >>> alternative.  As an agnostic, it is both closed mindedness and
> >> >>> intolerance that I most fear.  Atheist, Muslim, Jew, Christian --
>its
> >> >>> those among them that are closed minded and intolerant (more
> >> >>> appropriately referred to as fundamentalist) that scare me.  They
> >>scare
> >> >>> me because they want to make everyone else like them.  The long for
> >>the
> >> >>> nostalgic notion of their own grand narrative being imposed and
> >>coerced
> >> >>> upon others.  Thank God (oops) the atheists haven't organized, but
> >> >>> there are the fundamentalists among them; they would annialate
>theists
> >> >>> if they had the chance.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Most of us ARE mindless adherents to something or another.  Because
>we
> >> >>> use language, and it is taken so much for granted, it makes it
> >> >>> necessarily so.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> $.02
> >> >>>
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> >
> >
> > "a solid course in the divine" ... ????
>
>See, it already leads to uncertainty, but "a solid course in
>uncertainty"...??? What could that lead to other than a divinity or the
>continuing search?
> >
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the only people who have to "look for" the god or gods
are those who are raised in a culture whose concept
of a deity posits a supernatural being/creator
obsessed with infantile game-playing

(apparently, ITS favorite game is hide-and-seek)


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