Carrol Cox writes:
> I did not respond to Bob's email because at least once before on this
> list he has confused Jews witrh Zionists...

First of all, re yer inane abstention, the petition is not mine, i merely
sign and pass it along.
Second, re yer punctilios and slander: is not the US Jewish community
virtually unanymous in their support of Israel?
...outside Chomsky and his few disciples, is there any, not just mainstream,
anti-israel movement in the US Jewish community?...are not israel bonds
sold, and near universally subscribed, in every temple in the US?...does not
Israel declare itself "the Jewish state," to which every jew has birthright
citizenship?
...does there not exist one of two most powerful lobbies in the whole US
called AIPAC?...is not the US situs of the "holocaust industry" ?...and so
on.  I really don't mind yer inanity, but before you presume the great
temerity to insult me, please thoughtfully and factually satisfy us on the
above, the phoney cliched rhetoric of liberal idealism don't count.





----- Original Message -----
From: Carrol Cox <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: internet petition


> Sarab Nihal Singh wrote:
> >
> > I would prefer to go to the root cause of this chronic problem mentioned
in
> > Bob's email and sign a petition against Prophet Mohamed for his war
crimes
> > against humanity. He has caused the most ideological and ethnic
cleansing in
> > known history. The psychotic freaks (Aurangzeb, Ghazni, et al) in his
> > tradition have done worst damage than Israel or US can do in all of
Islam's
> > pathetic, enslaved and oppressive colonies.
> >
>
> I did not respond to Bob's email because at least once before on this
> list he has confused Jews witrh Zionists -- and that is unacceptable for
> several reasons. First, though of secondary concern, is that a group of
> Pound lovers (which I assume most of us are) should be quite careful
> around the subject of anti-semitism But of greater, and more politically
> relevant concern, is that the chief, perhaps the _only_ serious weapon
> in the hands of criminal Zionism (the phrase is really, now, redundant)
> is precisely the identification of anti-zionism with anti-semitism.
> Without this protection, Israel would stand revealed clearly to all for
> what it is and has been -- a criminal state, an ally of tyrannical and
> racist regimes around the world (e.g., it was, next to the United
> States, the warmest friend of apartheid South Africa, and it was the
> conduit for a good deal of U.S. aid to the murderous thugs known as
> Contras in Nicaragua).
>
> Israel's very existence is a crime, and the bloodshed now going on in
> Palestine is _wholly_ the fault of the Israeli state. Israeli terrorism
> (the state was born in terrorism and has been a perpetrator of terrorism
> fever since) is not the only but it is a major element in the conditions
> that have given Al Quaida terrorists the popular support (or illusion of
> popular support) that any terrorist organization needs, to maintain its
> morale if for no other reason: men who could have relatively peaceful
> and prosperous lives do not lightly throw away those lives as did the
> perpetrators of 9/11.
>
> As for Islam and Muhamed. The post I am responding to is ridiculous, but
> I'll just focus on a couple of points here.
>
> First of all, one might say that Islam was virtually the inventor of
> religious tolerance, and for a thousand years while Jews were being
> persecuted in Europe the Islamic countries provided a place of refuge
> not only for Jews but for "hetetical" Christians. Most of whatever
> culture medieval Europe possessed they owed to the Arabs and Islamic
> culture. (Arabic numbers came from India, but it was the Arabs who
> introduced them to europe.)
>
> Secondly, for 50 years the United States has pursued an unrelenting
> savagery (often using "fundamentalist Muslims as its tool) against every
> democratic or secular movement in the Middle East and South Asia. It was
> the U.S. that destroyed Iran's best hope for democracy, Mossedegh. It
> was the U.S., under Carter, that deliberately interfered in Afghanistan
> for no other reason that to provoke Soviet interference, and it was the
> U.S. that was responsible for the virtual wiping out of all secular or
> democratic forces in Afghanistan.
>
> And it is the U.S. and Israel that have been the unrelenting foes of any
> secular left forces among the Palestinians and have deliberately and
> with consciously bloody intent encouraged the flourishing of religious
> fanaticism among the Palestinians.
>
> Freedom for the Palestinians will not by itself bring peace to the
> middle east, but nothing else will either until the rogue state of
> Israel is brought under control.
>
> Carrol Cox