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Yes. I know of that. Very nice indeed.

--- Kate Cone <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Yes. Great website with all C's paintings that are
> for sale:
>
> www.eecummingsart.com
>
> I'd be interested to see what you think
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jason sweitzer" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Imagism and Joyce
>
>
> > Along these lines, would it be fallacious to
> consider
> > Cummings' landscape paintings?
> >
> > --- Richard Seddon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Kate:
> > >
> > > With the two set as discussion points, e. e.
> > > cummings seems the more
> > > mainline modern to me.  His poetry, even that of
> the
> > > country,  seems urban.
> > > Frost seems throw-back pastoral; almost
> Georgian.
> > > Much of Frost's Imagery,
> > > like some of H.D., is of the countryside.  Of
> course
> > > as someone has said the
> > > Pastoral is about the primitive urges of the
> Urban
> > > so maybe Frost is
> > > primitive modern?  :>)  In all seriousness I
> would
> > > suppose that a paper
> > > could be developed along the lines of Frost
> > > detailing, through Pastoralism,
> > > a rejection of the decayed modern Urb.  (Maybe
> it
> > > has already been done)
> > > Pound, who relished the Urb, would not probably
> > > agree but maybe Eliot would.
> > >
> > > Marianne Moore's images (note: little "i")  of
> > > animals, she is an
> > > objectivist like Robert Creeley not a strict
> > > Imagist, might be profitable.
> > > You might also look at the "Amygism" of Amy
> Lowell,
> > > what Pound thought
> > > Imagism gone astray,  in order to see vitiation
> of
> > > the idea.
> > >
> > > Are you interested in Imagism or Vorticism?  For
> an
> > > excellent discussion of
> > > the Ideogramic method, which necessarily has a
> lot
> > > of good info on Imagism,
> > > see,  _Ideogram, History of a Poetic Method_ by
> > > Laszlo K. Gefin.  Pound's
> > > work on the Fenolosa papers would probably be of
> > > interest also.
> > >
> > > Be sure to keep your big "I" Images seperate
> from
> > > your little "i" images.
> > >
> > > I don't think the ex-pat idea would work well.
> > > William Carlos Williams and
> > > Richard Aldington would be hard to work into
> such a
> > > scheme.
> > >
> > > Rick Seddon
> > > McIntosh, NM, USA
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kate Cone" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 5:48 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Imagism and Joyce
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tim:
> > > >
> > > > I've been reading C's poetry and bio's for
> over 30
> > > years. In fact, as a
> > > > result of my research and inquiries to Jay
> Parini
> > > at Middlebury, a Frost
> > > > scholar and biographer, I've been asked to
> write
> > > the Cummings article for
> > > > the Oxford Encyclopedia of American
> Literature,
> > > which Parini is editing.
> > > > (wheeee!!!)
> > > >
> > > > Frost I knew as all American students do --
> the
> > > anthologized poems. I
> > > loved
> > > > the imagery, but didn't "get" how deep they
> were
> > > then. But one little poem
> > > > hit me a different way:
> > > >
> > > > The Secret Sits
> > > >
> > > > We dance 'round a ring and suppose.
> > > > The secret sits in the middle and knows.
> > > >
> > > > Frost
> > > >
> > > > ****
> > > >
> > > > seeker of truth
> > > >
> > > > follow no path
> > > > all paths lead where
> > > >
> > > > truth is here
> > > >
> > > > Cummings
> > > >
> > > > ****
> > > >
> > > > At first I thought of this type of poem as
> having
> > > a Zen influence, but on
> > > > further investigation I learned that both C
> and F
> > > were tremendously
> > > > influenced by Emerson, whose essay "Circles"
> > > pretty much pegs the notion
> > > of
> > > > coming back: "I keep and pass and turn again."
> > > (Brahma).
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, the nature poetry of C and F are the
> most
> > > alike in that regard.
> > > > Where Pound comes in: he was among some other
> > > influential poets met in
> > > > England and was instrumental in getting
> Frost's
> > > first two books
> > > > well-reviewed in England, essentially "making"
> > > Frost the first and perhaps
> > > > only best-selling American poet of the 20th
> > > century. As a young poet at
> > > > Harvard, Cummings' notebooks show a keen
> interest
> > > in being part of the
> > > > imagist movement.
> > > >
> > > > I guess what I'm asking for are any thoughts
> at
> > > all about Pound's
> > > influence
> > > > and/or dealings with either Frost or Cummings.
> And
> > > with regard to Mr.
> > > > Savage's comment about Frost's poor treatment
> of
> > > Pound -- if you could
> > > > elaborate further on that/those incident/s, it
> > > would give me more
> > > insight --
> > > > was Frost abandoning a poet who helped  him in
> > > order to "lay low" from
> > > > controversy? This will further my theory that
> > > Frost "invented" himself as
> > > a
> > > > Yankee farmer poet and didn't want to rock any
> > > boat by being involved
> > > > (publicly) in the politics of the day.
> Cummings
> > > was much more "in your
> > > > face."
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Kate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Tim Romano" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 6:15 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Imagism and Joyce
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Kate,
> > > > > What do you think their work has in common?
> I
> > > see no similarity, though
> > > I
> > > > > must admit that I don't know cummings's work
> > > inside and out.
> > > > > Tim Romano
> > > > >
> > > > > Kate Cone wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >I am writing my masters thesis on how E.E.
> > > Cummings and Robert Frost's
> > > > > >poetry are related.
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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