Well, Mike, my simple answer would be the ideogram, and this could be
relevant to the politics of the day in the sense that words are manipulated
to mean things other than what they were originally intended to mean.
Ideograms like etymologies (when they are known) fix the meaning so they
come straight from the heart and right down through the center.
    In the case of the well-oiled meat grinder, Ezra went in one end and out
the other came a fascist, misogynist, racist, Confucian sausage every time.
And it wasn't that he was wrong, but it was that this was all there was.
Others, as I recall, believed there was more. I do, and that does not mean
that the gristles in the sausage aren't noted.

Charles

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>From: Michael Springate <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: DOA?
>Date: Thu, Dec 13, 2001, 8:26 AM
>

> Well, as a challenge, Charles, and one made in good faith and in response to
your
> wry sense of humour, what are the salient relations between Pound's poetics
and
> classical Chinese texts, and how might these be relevant to the political
situation
> of our world today?
>
> En Lin Wei, like it or loathe it, took on the question.
>
>
> charles moyer wrote:
>
>> Yes, they worked as smooth as a well-oiled meat grinder.
>>
>> ----------
>> >From: Michael Springate <[log in to unmask]>
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >Subject: Re: DOA?
>> >Date: Thu, Dec 13, 2001, 4:45 AM
>> >
>>
>> > I, for one, very much apreciated the vigorous lines of discussion initiated
by
>> > En Lin Wei.
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>> > charles moyer wrote:
>> >
>> >> Apparently, still on the machine but either brain dead or in a coma. Only
En
>> >> Lin Wei can save it now.
>> >>
>> >> ----------
>> >> >From: Gavin Francis <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >Subject: DOA?
>> >> >Date: Fri, Dec 14, 2001, 4:51 AM
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> > Is this list even alive anymore?