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William Marshall <[log in to unmask]>
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I'd like to answer Ch'an Buddhism, but I suspect it would be Hinayana.

Billy Marshall Stoneking





 ---- you wrote:
> This is an interesting thought -- Pound and Tibetan Buddhism. But, as I
> contemplate it, I'm struck by the options that Pound would have had.
> Tibetan Buddhism is comprised of so many schools and approaches.  The
> effects of Buddhism on Pound would have depend on which school he chose to
> study.
>
> Mahayana? Theravada?  Tantric?  etc. etc.
>
> Anastasios
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dirk Johnson" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 9:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Julius Evola
>
>
> > Charles:
> >
> > I enjoy your comments, but I must be a stickler on this one:  in China
> > today, the most important commandment is "Thou Shall Not Be Tibetan Or
> > Believe As Tibetans Believe".
> >
> > Racism. Extermination. Genocide.  A complete eradication of a people and a
> > culture.  As terrible as any crime in history, such as the successful U.S.
> > genocide against the North American Indigenous Peoples or the attempted
> > genocide by the Germans of the Jewish people, to name just two extremely
> > evil enterprises. Science and progress have been invoked since 1954 as
> > excuses to eradicate the Tibetans.  To me it makes the Fa-Lun Gong
> > controversy seem relatively light.
> >
> > Also can't help wondering how Pound's attitude toward Buddhism may have
> been
> > different had he encountered some of the more serious Tibetan Buddhist
> works
> > instead of Confucian works attacking the popular and superstitious Chinese
> > expression of Buddhism.  I am NOT saying that all Chinese expressions of
> > Buddhism were either popular or superstitious (nor that much of the
> Tibetan
> > expressions aren't popular or superstitious), but these are certainly the
> > forms of Buddhism that are attacked in the Cantos via the Confucians.
> > ...incense... Buddh rot ...burnt paper.. gets mad if he doesn't get it...
> >
> > Man by negation is a more serious (also Confucian) charge, but one based
> > upon false and superficial readings of Buddhist philosophy.  At least if
> Ez
> > had become infatuated with Buddhism instead of with Confucianism he would
> > have been less likely to become obsessed with economics and less likely to
> > go down the path of perdition so well described by Leon Surette in _Pound
> in
> > Purgatory_.
> >
> > Tibetan Buddhism is certainly more "mytho-poetic" than Confucianism: art,
> > dance, poetry, music, theater, sculpture, philosophy, history, and so
> forth
> > are not separate disciplines, but mutually expressive.  Though the various
> > differences between them are obvious, the Tibetan culture is the closest
> > survivor in the world to the pre-Classical Greek cultures in the sense of
> > not being fragmented while at the same time being exceptionally literate.
> > (If there is another equally similar or more similar, I'd love to be
> > enlightened.)
> >
> > I've long though that Pound missed a great opportunity to encounter a
> > living, unified cultural tradition when he chose confucianism over
> Buddhism.
> > The mis-translated _Tibetan Book of the Dead_ would have served him far
> > better than Mencius and Muss, especially since the resonance with Canto I
> > would have been superb.
> >
> > Of course, then we wouldn't have the Pisan Cantos, the lack of which I
> > wouldn't REALLY wish on anybody.
> >
> > Dirk
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: charles moyer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 1:08 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Julius Evola
> >
> >
> > Wayne,
> >     Thank you for that information. You write, "I wonder why you link this
> > 'high-minded' racist (Evola) with Robert Graves?"
> >     It seems to me that in the sense of being traditionalists, looking
> > beyond and above any charges of "racism", Pound, Evola, and Graves had a
> > similar view of the value of ancient wisdom. Call it mytho-poetic,
> > Hyperborean, or Celtic- whatever-it translates somewhat  the same; that it
> > is something in the past worthy of examination and even perhaps of
> revival.
> > Progress, however, teaches us to formulate new "crimes against humanity"
> as
> > recently in China where now it has been decreed "Thou shalt not not
> believe
> > in science".  How's that for high-mindedness?
> >     I would like to see your notes on Evola. I leave it to you as to the
> > venue.
> >
> > CDM
>


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