If you want to give up on the democratic ideal and tolerate
resort to violence from either left or right, no matter how
nobly motivated, be my guest.  The idea that everything is
"rigged" by the Right is the cliche of the total dropout
from the democratic process--which, may I remind you, can
be painfully slow and demands the fullest participation by
a citizenry.  If violence is the answer, JB, then the Right
will win.  They got bigger and better guns.

==Ol' Dan

At 10:09 AM 8/12/00 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 08/12/2000 1:52:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
><<
> Is Burt so indiscriminately leftist that he cannot imagine that there are
> responsible people who, far from being minions or dupes of the
> American Right, see the need to criticize the excesses of the Left
> as well as the Right?  But perhaps Burt can see no wrong in the Left?
><<
>
>& earlier DP said
>
><<
>The bright son of a friend of mine is one of those jailed in
>Philly.  I don't know what he personally did, but if he participated
>in destroying property or throwing rocks at cops, I would consider
>that he deserves his little week in jail.  Republicans have a
>right to voice their bullshit just as much as Democrats do.
>  >>
>
>it would be much more interesting if DP would spell out what he thinks the
>excesses of the left (in america, since we're addressing PC) are?
>destruction of public property at the Republican Convention?  how about the
>destruction of human beings that results from the policies that result from
>that convention?  how about the fact that the deal is so rigged, politically,
>that normal political protests are, in the face of the billions of dollars
>arrayed against them, ineffectual?  one wonders where DP has been all of his
>life -- doesn't he remember the *illegal* protests of the 50's & 60's during
>the civil rights and the antiwar actions?  then, also, we heard from the
>respectable class that *there is never any excuse for breaking the law* in
>the same moral tone that DP uses.  well, old DP may think his friend's
>*bright son* deserves a week in jail, but I sure as hell don't, just as I
>don't think that numerous friends of mine deserved years in prison for
>throwing blood on murderers, or scratching nuclear missiles with
>screwdrivers, and just as I don't think that the protesters in Philadelphia
>deserved to be beaten and sexually molested by the police, or held in jail
>under high bonds (as high as a million dollars) after being charged with
>felonies for misdemeanor offenses.  come on, DP, give us your list of
>*leftist* excesses.
>
>jb...
>
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