Charled Moyer,
            there is no "Ezalino" in CLXXII, but (quoting the original
Italian):
"Io son quell'Ezzelino che non credè
che il mondo fu creato da un ebreo...."

 Ezzelino da Romano is a cruel "condottiero", who lived in the XII- XIII
century (1194-1259).
 He was a follower of Emperor Federico II, whose daughter Selvaggia (=Wild
One) he married in 1238. Leader of the Ghibellines he was excommunicated in
1254 by Pope Innocenzo IV and was defeated on the battleground in 1259 by
the Guelfs. Taken prisoner he tore off the bandages covering his wounds  and
let himself die. His sister was Cunizza, whom Dante put in paradise (and
Pound, too)
 Dante (where probably Pound found him) put Ezzelino in the Inferno "where
he is punished in the river of blood together with those who were violent
against their neighbors" (AAVV "EP and Europe", RODOPI, Amsterdam 1993, pag
216.
 If you read Italian, you find a biography of "Ezzelino da Romano e i suoi
tempi"",by Antonio Perria , LONGANESI, MILANO 1973

p.s.for sure he is a totally undemocratic and politically uncorrect
character...tha's where his charm comes from!

----- Original Message -----
From: charles moyer <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 3:57 PM
Subject: Pounding holes in the flute


> Wei,
>     I want to thank you for keeping this debate entirely focused on your
> thesis and resisting the temptation of allowing any other subject to
> develop out of an embryonic stage and acting as interlocator of this show
> with consistently obsequious remarks to everyone who posts.
>
>    On democracy again Ghandi;  "Oh yes, that would be a very good idea."
> You must have missed that one before.
>
>     I wonder when you will come around to your ultimate question:
>
>     "Are you now or have you ever been an admirer of Ezra Pound? I invite
> you or any other member of this list to answer this question under oath to
> tell the truth so help your democracy. And let's not take the "moc" out of
> democracy and above all not the humor.
>
>     Todays quote is from Mark Twain's "Huckleberry Finn".
>
>     "Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side? And hain't that a
big
> enough majority in any town?"
>
>     I invite you or any other man (or woman)of this list to show how this
> sarcastic and
> critical statement could be used by fascist (Confucian) propagandists to
> undermine the democratic principals of majority rule.
>
>     Onguards,
>
>     CDM
>
> P.s. In Canto LXXII Pound writes,
>
>
>                                 "I said: 'who are you'?
>         'I am that Ezalino who didn't believe
>                    the world was made by a jew,...'"
>
> Can anyone tell me who Ezalino is?