The Han and Ch'in (Qin) material is largely buried in earlier
unpublished work. I'm glad you like aspects of Deconstructing the
Demiurge. It was Pound that taught me much of the ethical conditions
under which it operates. Some of his lessons (not nearly all) were
negative ones, but given the level of the poetry in the Cantos this is
possible. It is no surprise to me that people find untenable your
conflation of Pound's poetry with an unmitigated 'fascist' ideology.
Your position is untenable. At the very best, your argument might point
to a peculiar kind of individual fascism that Pound created out of
sources he found that suggested the kind of agrarian utopia that
permeates the Cantos. This would also account for Pound's mistaken
identification with strains of European fashion.

I also don't think that Carroll is correct in conflating Mussollini's
fascism or Hitler's National Socialism with the current kleptocracy that
emanates from the US, Europe and Japan. This kleptocracy has proven to
be much more long lived and dangerous because it has appropriated the
positivistic necessity that originated in its own sciences. The sciences
are scene as destiny. It is not difficult to see the power this accrues
to the modern corporation and the government stooges they control. The
whole epistemology of money is now a 'scientistic' borrowing from the
hard sciences especially physics but more and more so biology as
ecological questions take root. See Shackle, Hayek, E.O. Wilson,
Horkheimer & Adorno and many others for views pro and con.   Carlo
Parcelli

En Lin Wei wrote:
>
> This post is directed mainly to Carlo Parcelli, though it concerns the whole
> issue of "deconstructing" Pound.
>
> I have just read parts of the poem, "Deconstructing the Demiurge:  Tale of
> the Tribe".
>
> I highly recommend it to people who are interested in Pound, in contemporary
> poetry, and the issues that have been discussed on this forum for the past
> several days.
>
> The poem can be found at:
>
> http://webdelsol.com/FLASHPOINT/
>
> I want to say I have nothing but the greatest respect for your efforts and
> for the task you have set yourself in composing this poem.  I also
> understand why you might have very negative feelings about my critique of
> the social, political, economic and ideological implications of Pound's
> work.
>
> I can also see why you have so much respect for Pound's poetic technique and
> epistlemological methodology.
>
> My own reaction to the work is very positive
>
> I particularly liked the verse:
>
>                                                                                  The Mach in Machiavelli.
>                  A calculus to appropriate parameters from states.
>                  No strength but force in 'seeing' the electron as wraith,
>                  nor feel the mouth's propensities form 'fidelity';
>                  quantum of action when a Greek granulated time;
>                  Sopped blood from the stones.
>
> As I was present for two days at the anti-World Bank anti-IMF demonstrations
> in DC on the weekend of April 16, I was especially interested in the verse:
>
>                                           Chief economist Summers: "just between you and me
>                  shouldn't the World Bank be encouraging more migration of
> dirty industries to LDC's?…
>                                   the economic logic behind dumping toxic
> waste
>                                   in the lowest wage country is impeccable.'
>                  A practical aesthetics and it's 'neutral epistemology';
> balance, objectivity.
>                  A meteorological sky reflected in corporate headquarter's
> tesselated symmetry.
>                  "An universal mathematical character" looks forth from the
> window,
>                                                   the observer sliced by the
> blinds.
>
> There is much to praise in this poem, from an aesthetic point of view, and
> (in my opinion) there is much merit in the social and economic underpinning
> of the work.
>
> So you must excuse me, if you have been offended by my work.  It seems to me
> you have already done, in your own way, for your own purposes, what I am
> trying to do, in a different way (and probably for different purposes):
> namely, you have worked to appropriate much that is good in Pound's
> technique, while NOT falling into the same ideological traps that Pound fell
> into.  (Of course my assessment is limited because I cannot be said to have
> "absorbed" your poem in its entirety--but this is my initial impression).
> You yourself have said that you have wrestled with, and sought to address
> Pound's shortcomings, with regard to his incorporation of racist and fascist
> views into his work.  Apparently you are, in a major way, succeeding in
> "winnowing" out some wheat from considerable chaff.
>
> (I was not able to gather from your poem what your views are on China, on
> interpreting Chinese history, or on your reaction to Pound's interpretation
> of Chinese history, subjects which are dear to me.  But as you say, you are
> working on that.  I think some on the list, besides myself might be
> interested in some of your reflections on that theme:  the Han, and Qin
> dynasties, for instance).
>
> Regards,
>
> Wei
>
> PS  Another line I like,
>
> "Exploitation disguised as economic esperanto"
>
> Quite pithy.  And for me it sums up all the arguments around PNTR for China.
>
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